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2013/08/21 11:40:47 (permalink)
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Front brake upgrade Mk2

G'day guys Im looking into getting new rotors, pads and lines for my car. The car is driven daily so the pads will need to work cold and I will be attending track days. I have never done any work on brakes so my knowledge is not very good.
 
At the moment I cannot afford a proper big brake upgrade so I want to do new rotors (old ones getting thin), pads and lines that will be an easy bolt-on, no hassle upgrade.
 
As far as pads go I was thinking EBC Redstuff but I am open to all opinions
 
For rotors I dont have much of an idea of what I should do, whether I get a solid standard replacement rotor or one that is slotted. Also am I right in thinking I would need a different caliper to have a vented rotor due to it being wider? Because ultimately vented (Im assuming) would be better as more heat would be let out.
 
And now to lines.....My current ones have cracks and I dont want a line failure on the track. I understand rubber lines can flex whilst braking but I have heard that braided lines are not legal here is SA and if that is the case I would rather neglect the better performance for a lower chance of getting defected and put through regency.
 
Any help would be much appreciated as I really do not have much idea and I need to get these brakes done before I go to Mallala on 30th September.
 
Cheers, Ryan
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    Re: Front brake upgrade Mk2 2013/08/21 13:02:52 (permalink)
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    I have done vented discs and calipers great upgrade, you can just do the vented discs and a spacer kit.
    see http://smckaperformance.com.au/ he has parts.
    Then later on you can do calipers.
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    Re: Front brake upgrade Mk2 2013/08/21 14:18:16 (permalink)
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    Thanks for that war,
     
    In that case I will definitely go for a vented rotor being that simple. Am I better off getting a drilled and slotted rotor instead of a plain face? The benefit is obviously more surface area for better cooling but what are the downsides apart from cost and how much will the cooling be increased?
     
    Cheers, Ryan
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    Re: Front brake upgrade Mk2 2013/08/21 14:26:41 (permalink)
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    G'Day Ryan,
     
    For budget setup I agree, go a spacer kit in your calipers and run a vented rotor. I have used dimpled/slotted and EBC greens with good results at Mallala.
     
    As far as braided lines go, all the stuff I know of out of UK is not ADR approved and technically illegal for your car so take your hoses to any decent brake joint and get them replicated with the braided s/s, ensure they are ADR approved and tagged as such so that if you even need to go through an inspection, the inspector can easily identify them.
     
    Try http://www.braidedhoses.com.au/
     
    P.S. Is it a Practice day or a private event?
     
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    Re: Front brake upgrade Mk2 2013/08/21 16:24:33 (permalink)
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    Thanks for the advice Rhys that's very helpful.
     
    I just had a look on the EBC website and it seems as though the difference between green and red is the recommended power range. Green up to 200hp and red for heavier cars above 200hp. So I would DEFINITELY be in need of greens.
     
    Oh ok thanks, I didn't realise that braided lines could be approved but in that case it might be a good option.
    Ill contact the place in Keswick that sells those and get a price.
     
    I believe its a private event as it was set up through someone a mate knows and there was a limit on how many cars.
    Can't wait, its my first one and I bought some formula ford tyres to chuck on for the day.
     
    Where did you buy your rotors from Rhys? Also was thinking ebay for the pads, they seem pretty cheap on there.
     
    Cheers, Ryan
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    Re: Front brake upgrade Mk2 2013/08/21 16:53:41 (permalink)
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    Was just quoted roughly between 80 and 90 bucks for a set of approved braided lines made up and the bloke said "pick a colour"....think black is the way to go, couldn't imagine having colourful brake lines.
     
    Thought that price was quite reasonable for a hassle free mod.
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    Re: Front brake upgrade Mk2 2013/08/21 17:13:15 (permalink)
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    Hi Ryan,
     
    I've got solid grooved discs, standard calipers & Ferodo DS2500 pads on my Mk2.
    I don't get any fade on the track - but only 115 rwhp, so wouldn't have the speed of some!
    Pads need a bit of heat, so not ideal for the street.
     
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    Re: Front brake upgrade Mk2 2013/08/21 17:26:37 (permalink)
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    Thanks Gregg,
     
    That's good to know that you don't get fade with solid discs, I reckon ill go for the spacer and vented option though as It might be a good setup for the future if I happen to get more power.
     
    Seems like everybody so far has slotted/drilled rotors, anyone out there running a flat face and doing track work?
     
    Cheers, Ryan
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    Re: Front brake upgrade Mk2 2013/08/21 19:06:17 (permalink)
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    I'm trying to remember about rotors, possibly someone of this forum? Or through their work. 
     
    Ring around RDA rotors are quite cheap.
     
    Brake lines sounds very cheap....check thats not each line? Mine were about $60/line 7-8 years or so ago. If that's correct, that's a great deal.
     
    You're doing the right thing sorting brakes and getting some tires with grip. 
     
    You'll have a ball!
     
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    Re: Front brake upgrade Mk2 2013/08/21 19:35:30 (permalink)
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    Ok no worries I will see how I go as far as brands and prices go.
     
    I found some on smckaperformance.com that aren't grooved for $70 each disc so I've got a starting guide.
     
    Yea I checked that it was the whole set when he said and he said yes so I'm really happy with that now! Better get them made before he changes his mind.
     
    Thanks Rhys, I figured I'd better have a car that stops properly, brakes are the last thing I want to skimp on.
     
    I only paid 150 for 4 half used formula ford tyres so thought that would be better than wrecking my road tyres.
     
    Cheers, Ryan
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    Re: Front brake upgrade Mk2 2013/08/23 11:50:06 (permalink)
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    As it turns out the price quoted for the lines was each, not for the lot. Feel pretty silly now but I must have misunderstood the bloke.
     
    So my brakes are ordered and here is the list:
     
    Braided Lines (Black in colour) $90 each
     
    RDA rotors drilled, slotted, dimpled and heat treated $100 each
     
    EBC Greens pads $110 pair
     
    I'm pretty happy with that in the end, I chose to go for a solid rotor in the end mostly to make it easier for me to fit and also I will be setting up some ducting for the track. With others getting no fade with more power and a solid disc I'm sure my car will be fine with this set up.
     
    Thankyou to all who helped out and offered their opinions, your help has been greatly appreciated.
     
    I will let you know what I think when they are fitted and after the track day.
     
    Cheers, Ryan
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    Re: Front brake upgrade Mk2 2013/08/23 22:42:06 (permalink)
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    I chose to go for a solid rotor in the end mostly to make it easier for me to fit and also I will be setting up some ducting for the track. With others getting no fade with more power and a solid disc I'm sure my car will be fine with this set up.



    I went for solids too with my road going mk1 after reading around a bit. From what I gathered the solid disc is fine for street and light track work if the rest of the brake system in in good working condition. The negatives to spacer kits/vented rotors is non-compliant (insurance could wriggle out of a claim if I had an accident), need to remove dust guards  (keeps rotors cooler but allows in dirt/debris) and tie rod ends touch or get very close to the rotors. There are tie rod ends with a smaller diameter on the rubber to help gain a few more mm clearance but it's stil very close. Pads i used are just Bendix General CT which seem great... I wouldn't know what brake fade was if it bit me on the arse
     
     
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    Re: Front brake upgrade Mk2 2013/08/24 17:22:56 (permalink)
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    This is great reading - "Pulp Friction" by Grassroots Motorsports.
     
    The article is in the form of 6 jpegs close to the bottom of this page:
    http://www.myturbodiesel.com/1000q/brake_FAQ.htm
     
    Sure changed my mind about what I was about to do with my brakes.  After doing a bunch of calculations and ending up within a few percent of what I already had, I saved myself a very tidy sum of money and a whole lot of aggravation.

    WTB: Recaro seat - any condition considered
     
     
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    Re: Front brake upgrade Mk2 2013/08/28 11:43:17 (permalink)
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    I chose to go for a solid rotor in the end mostly to make it easier for me to fit and also I will be setting up some ducting for the track. With others getting no fade with more power and a solid disc I'm sure my car will be fine with this set up.



    I went for solids too with my road going mk1 after reading around a bit. From what I gathered the solid disc is fine for street and light track work if the rest of the brake system in in good working condition. The negatives to spacer kits/vented rotors is non-compliant (insurance could wriggle out of a claim if I had an accident), need to remove dust guards  (keeps rotors cooler but allows in dirt/debris) and tie rod ends touch or get very close to the rotors. There are tie rod ends with a smaller diameter on the rubber to help gain a few more mm clearance but it's stil very close. Pads i used are just Bendix General CT which seem great... I wouldn't know what brake fade was if it bit me on the arse
     
     




    Thanks for the vote of confidence, I picked them up last night so after I get some uni work out the way Ill fit them as soon as I can. Can't wait to see the difference
     
    Thanks Flighter, that was a very interesting read! Helped alot with understanding what is good and what isnt when it comes to brakes, Ive got a bit more of an understanding now.
     
    Cheers, Ryan
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    Re: Front brake upgrade Mk2 2013/09/01 18:28:20 (permalink)
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    Brakes are now fitted.
     
    I am very happy with the difference it has made. I am a lot more confident with the car now knowing when I step on the pedal it will actually stop as it should. I have only driven short distances so far but I can tell that the more heat I get into them the grippier they are. Also I don't need to put anywhere near as much force through the pedal as I did before.
     
    Really happy with the results, thank you again for everybody's input, your help has been very much appreciated. I would very much recommend this setup as a cheap upgrade, it has made a world of difference.
     
    Cheers, Ryan
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