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Re:Gearbox removal 2016/08/01 15:45:41 (permalink)
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Shouldn't require a shorter tailshaft. Just a custom mount and reposition shifter hole. What makes the type 9 weaker than the 4 speed?




I just measured the gearboxes, and you're right; a shorter tailshaft is not required. Not sure where I got that notion, but I apologise for the confusion.  I think the issue with the Type 9 is that Ford basically added a 5th gear to the back of a Type E, which in practice reduced its torque capacity (torque being the thing that kills gearboxes rather than power).

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Re:Gearbox removal 2016/08/01 23:49:16 (permalink)
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All good flighter. It's the Type9 shifter position being further back that creates the confusion.
Yes I've read not to put a lot of load through 5th gear. It would take a pretty full on motor or misuse/ abuse to do damage.
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Re:Gearbox removal 2016/08/02 15:26:46 (permalink)
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One thing not mentioned when lowering cross member, with longer bolts, to remove g/box......disconnect steering coupling
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Re:Gearbox removal 2016/08/02 18:56:17 (permalink)
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One thing not mentioned when lowering cross member, with longer bolts, to remove g/box......disconnect steering coupling


Yeah, learned that the hard way too.

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Re:Gearbox removal 2016/08/02 22:38:27 (permalink)
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I could get mine in & out by loosening off the engine mount nuts, removing rocker cover and let the engine tilt back. That's with an auto tunnel
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Re:Gearbox removal 2017/01/02 22:35:30 (permalink)
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While the gearbox was out I figured I'd drain the oil seeing I had no idea how long it had been in there. It was grey and miserably looking, so I'm glad I did, but I nearly blew it by using GL-5 spec oil. Never use GL-5 oil in a Type 9 (or Type E etc.), even if it is marked as GL-4/GL-5; read this for why:http://www.widman.biz/uploads/Transaxle_oil.pdf. I eventually found a correct GL-4 spec oil at a local distributor, which was a pleasant surprise. I'm hoping it also improves the shift quality when the trans is cold.
 
 
 While the gearbox was out I figured I'd drain the oil seeing I had no idea how long it had been in there. It was grey and miserably looking, so I'm glad I did, but I nearly blew it by using GL-5 spec oil. Never use GL-5 oil in a Type 9 (or Type E etc.), even if it is marked as GL-4/GL-5; read this for why:http://www.widman.biz/uploads/Transaxle_oil.pdf. I eventually found a correct GL-4 spec oil at a local distributor, which was a pleasant surprise. I'm hoping it also improves the shift quality when the trans is cold.
 



Hey Flighter, I know this is an old thread, but would you remember what gearbox oil you ended up using?

As you may have seen from the other M2 Cactus thread, I now have a car, plus an engine and box, which I getting closer to making one. I checked the gearbox today, which was just as well as there was maybe 300 ml of oil in the bottom, so I need to fill it.
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Re:Gearbox removal 2017/01/03 20:02:29 (permalink)
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Yep - Amsoil Manual Transmission & Transaxle Gear Lube 75W-90
 
http://www.amsoil.com/shop/by-product/transmission-fluid/manual/manual-transmission-and-transaxle-gear-lube-75w-90/
 
Note that this is for a 5 speed Type 9 though; a 4 speed Type E uses a different weight.
The place I bought it from is also the Au distributor: Balcatta Performance.
 
http://australian-amsoil-imports.com.au/product/amsoil-manual-transmission-transaxle-gear-lube-75w-90/
 
Price at the moment is actually a little less than US rrp (at the current exchange rate), and shipping is very reasonable too, which is a pleasant surprise. I think they only ship once or twice a week though. It's a small operation, but with large amounts of stock, so getting hold of some shouldn't be a problem. I'm happy to recommend both the product and the supplier.
 
 

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Re:Gearbox removal 2017/01/03 21:31:30 (permalink)
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thanks Flighter, I realised today at work I had the yesterford pricelist from Mike.
He lists an 80W penrite gear oil so I'll check out your links as well and get something sorted.
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Re:Gearbox removal 2017/01/03 22:31:15 (permalink)
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Yesterford lists Penrite 80W-90 gear oil, which is for axles, not transmissions. Remember: gear oil is just that - suitable for gears. Axles have gears, whereas transmissions have gears AND synchros. That's why you shouldn't use gear oil in your trans - because your synchros will suffer.
 
Be careful with the rating of transmission oils too, as GL-5 oil has additives that eat brass, which is a definite no-no for older boxes in classic Fords. Penrite's Trans Gear 75W-80 looks to be the most likely local candidate for a Type E:
 
http://www.penriteoil.com...=4&id_products=379
 
That's my 2¢ worth of wisdom anyway.

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Re:Gearbox removal 2017/01/04 10:04:16 (permalink)
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Wisdom is appreciated.
best 2c I have ever spent Flighter.
 
 
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Re:Gearbox removal 2017/01/04 19:51:26 (permalink)
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Hope the check is in the mail then!

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Re:Gearbox removal 2017/01/05 21:23:00 (permalink)
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I have just re-done my gearbox oil using- guess what?? Penriite 75w - 80. Smooth, clean shifts, have also put in a special additive to rejuvenate the seals, will give a verdict shortly if it stops a little front input shaft weep as it claims to do!! Len
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Re:Gearbox removal 2017/01/06 19:49:18 (permalink)
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There's also Castrol VMX 80W for a Type E gearbox, although I suspect it isn't quite as fancy as the Penrite semi-synthetic stuff. The whole 'semi-synthetic' thing messes with my brain though' - what percentage of synthetic oil in regular dinosaur oil makes it a semi? 50%? 20%? 1%?

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Re:Gearbox removal 2017/01/06 22:05:37 (permalink)
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I promised myself not to post this weekend as I'm sure I have hassled you all enough recently and wanted to retreat into the corner and give someone else a go ,but it was a bit of a bad night in the shed...
 
I changed the gearbox oil, using  Flighter's favourite drop, but I think I've found a bit missing from the alloy extension casting but aren't sure now.
I have the std 4 speed box, and below is a pic I found from Kirts green escy rebuild, showing the std box and a rocket version. So from the pic, I have highlighted what felt like was missing from the gearbox extension.
ie. in my extension,  there's only one  cast tag that the side of the selector lever bottoms sideways against, but from what I could see and how it felt, I think there should have been this stop on each side??
 
There was a thread on hear also about fitting a quickshift, and I thought from one of those photos it had these lugs on both sides? I stuck it all back, and it seems to shift as expected, but the more I check this car out, the more I'm convinced it was a bitza that has been put back together after having the good bits stripped.
 
it might be the heat....
 

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Re:Gearbox removal 2017/01/07 11:02:28 (permalink)
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thanks whooligan, but I probably didn't explain that well, and the pick is unclear.
 
The box type is the same, its the escort one.
With the gear lever stick out, looking into the casing, one side of the case has a boss that limits the sideways movement, but the other side of the casing doesn't. I could feel a sharp fracture where it may have been if it have broken off, but the rocket box picture looks like there's only one anyhow, thus some of the confusion.
 
In the end, as mentioned I've stuck it back together for know, and plan to order a UK quaife quickshift as suggested when I can find some car dollars. (no Quaife aust dealer?)I will look at it again when its apart, and expect it may just be a case on not wrenching on the gearlever too hard in the future.
 
thanks all. Grab a sunnyboy and stay cool, its gonna be hot wherever you are.
 
 
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