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Re: Fitting Celica 5speed into manual tunnel Mk2 Escort -what mods req'd?
2015/03/02 08:15:38
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I also have a high energy sump but i have modified mine to relieve some of the fitting issues you are experiencing. In all 4 corners of the box i have take the corners off and have also moved the inside leg of the rack mounts across to give extra clearance. They are a pain in the a55 if you don't do this and even then still aren't easy.
That pic someone posted of the alloy case toyota box ... I reckon that may be from a RWD hilux but its just a guess. As Shaun said it isnt a Supra box
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Re: Fitting Celica 5speed into manual tunnel Mk2 Escort -what mods req'd?
2015/03/02 11:18:03
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Thanks Gdub, On Sunday I ended up removing the high energy sump and swapped it for a standard one as even with quite a bit cut out of gearbox tunnel I still can't make the engine in and out a one man job. I would have to make the mods you've outlined to get it to work well.
If anyone is after a HE sump to suit a 2lt Escort send me a PM.
Thanks,
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Re: Fitting Celica 5speed into manual tunnel Mk2 Escort -what mods req'd?
2015/03/03 12:09:00
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hak073
While we're talking Toyota gearboxes, this is one I've got in the shed. Came with the orange mk1 I got ages ago and the guy said it was a Celica 5-sp. From looking at the interwebs it looks like a W58 Supra one, not a Celica. Any ideas? Its a bulky thing, surely no chance of fitting in a manual tunnel.
If you've measured the tunnel, you are spot on, It would be OK in an Auto Tunnel, Just.!!
It is a W58 Supra, if you find the numbers on the box, they will be 5m-GE, 7m-GE, or 2JZ-GE,!! ... Do you have the Stick assembly,?? ... First used in 1982,!! ... If you are interested in moving it on, I could use it in my project.!!
PM me with cash required.!!
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Re: Fitting Celica 5speed into manual tunnel Mk2 Escort -what mods req'd?
2015/03/03 13:14:49
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2lt_Scort
Well this has turned out to be a bigger job than expected.
Engine and box has been in and out about 6 or 7 times so far with alot of tunnel cutting and beating.
I've 'massaged' one last time and will try to fit it all up and if it doesn't go this time I'll be looking to cut the entire gearbox tunnel out from engine bay back and weld in a bigger custom fabbed one (any suppliers in AU?)
My issue is I'm also running a HE sump which is getting hung up on steering rack mounts on x-member.
I know I could drop X-member and it would probably all work, but I want it to be a proper fix where engine and box can go in and out easily.
Rhys
I was thinking of your sump problem driving home,!! ... 1, Standard sump with an Oil Cooler plumbed in, i've got one in my shed off an RX4, if that would help, it's yours.!! ... 2, Dry Sump it, We did it in Ski Boats years ago, it didn't seem that hard at the time, no body carve ups needed, Oil Qty. unlimited,!! and use the cooler as well in front of your radiator.!! Cheers Geoff
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Re: Fitting Celica 5speed into manual tunnel Mk2 Escort -what mods req'd?
2015/03/03 13:55:20
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Thanks Geoff!
I do have an oil cooler setup I intend to run so for now that will have to do.
I should get a chance to drop motor and box in again tonight to test fit.
Thanks,
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Re: Fitting Celica 5speed into manual tunnel Mk2 Escort -what mods req'd?
2015/03/03 15:45:55
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Seems a waste not to use your Hi energy sump. Usual method is to temporarily fit longer cross member bolts and loosen the UJ on the steering shaft. While suspending the engine you can then lower the cross member which allows the sump to clear on engine removal. Also lowering the complete engine cross member this way and tilting engine backwards allows gearbox removal. Works for me with alloy sump & 4 speed in one car and HE sump & T9 in other. Both cars with manual tunnels and can do on my own.
SFE
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Re: Fitting Celica 5speed into manual tunnel Mk2 Escort -what mods req'd?
2015/03/03 16:01:03
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SFE,
Do you need to disconnect steering knuckle to lower cross member enough to clear?
Thanks,
Rhys
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Re: Fitting Celica 5speed into manual tunnel Mk2 Escort -what mods req'd?
2015/03/03 16:07:58
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Re: Fitting Celica 5speed into manual tunnel Mk2 Escort -what mods req'd?
2015/03/03 20:03:23
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Yes, you do.
Thanks mate
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Re: Fitting Celica 5speed into manual tunnel Mk2 Escort -what mods req'd?
2015/04/07 17:18:46
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Could be, W55-W56-W57-W58, ... Can't tell without stripping them, all are 190hp except W58, 230hp.
W58's ... i read they have been pushing 500HP V8's, it's got my vote for the most over engineered Box ever.!!
While we're talking Toyota gearboxes, this is one I've got in the shed. Came with the orange mk1 I got ages ago and the guy said it was a Celica 5-sp. From looking at the interwebs it looks like a W58 Supra one, not a Celica. Any ideas? Its a bulky thing, surely no chance of fitting in a manual tunnel.
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Re: Fitting Celica 5speed into manual tunnel Mk2 Escort -what mods req'd?
2015/04/08 15:02:55
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Hey guys do all the "W" series boxes have the same stud pattern where it bolts to the bell housing? regardless if its a Celica or supra.
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Re: Fitting Celica 5speed into manual tunnel Mk2 Escort -what mods req'd?
2015/04/08 15:34:49
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No, The W50 is different from the later ones I.e. W55, W57 and so on.
The W50 is 6 bolts whereas the later ones are 8, I believe
I am about to put a W50 in my MK2 if I get around to it.
Matt
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Re: Fitting Celica 5speed into manual tunnel Mk2 Escort -what mods req'd?
2015/04/08 16:13:13
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- W series gearboxes have a separate bellhousing.
- Different bellhousings are used to connect a W50 gearbox to an R or M series engine.
- Different bellhousings are used to connect a W55 gearbox to an R or T series engine.
- Alloy W5# gearboxes are interchangeable with each other.
- Alloy and steel W5# gearboxes are NOT interchangeable with each other.
- W50 bellhousings do not fit the W55 gearbox and vice versa.
- W55 bellhousings do fit the W56, W57 and W58 gearboxes and vice versa.
- All W## gearboxes after 1970 had the same output spline as the A## automatic gearboxes.
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I have a W58 PDf Manual, PM me if interested with your Email, and I will shoot you a copy.!!
post edited by GeeBeeN - 2015/04/08 16:26:48
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Re: Fitting Celica 5speed into manual tunnel Mk2 Escort -what mods req'd?
2015/04/08 17:43:16
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Cool thanks guys that's what I needed I have a Dellow alloy supra to zetec(with the 8 holes) bell housing and wasn't sure witch "W" to go for
Thanks agian
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