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Mk2 Bolt in 6pt cage (alloy)
Hi all clearing out the shed and came to the conclusion i'm never going to fit this cage so its up for sale. I bought 2-3 years ago but never fitted it. the bloke I bought it off test fitted it and that was about it. it also has 2 removable door bars. has been painted black but could do with a repaint.
Looking for $650 ono if your interested your more then welcome for a look its located in melton, 30mins west of Melbournes CBD. Cheers Kieran 0401 911 248
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RE: Mk2 Bolt in 6pt cage (alloy)
2011/04/01 18:02:59
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Interested, is it cams approved ?
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RE: Mk2 Bolt in 6pt cage (alloy)
2011/04/01 19:43:35
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These days you can't get CAMS approval for an alloy cage unfortunately. Must be at least steel.
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RE: Mk2 Bolt in 6pt cage (alloy)
2011/06/01 14:04:43
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Don't think CAMS approval is such a problem as some people think. The last time I looked (someone please correct me if I'm wrong), you only need a CAMS approved cage for 'races', for timed sprints that don't normally need a cage, you can run a non-approved cage as it's seen to be better than nothing.
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RE: Mk2 Bolt in 6pt cage (alloy)
2011/06/01 16:54:54
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To run an alloy cage the car must be logbooked prior to end of 1999 and be fitted with an alloy cage at that time.
You can run sprints and even hillclimbs (in a road reg class) without a cage.
If you are running in an event that does not require a cage and you have a non approved cage fitted you can apply to the Stewards of the event for approval to do so (good luck with that....).
Bottom line is if you are going to all the hassle of fitting a cage, do it right, do it once and do it in steel.
Also a headsup, there are national rules coming into force in July this year regarding roll cages in road cars. Unless the car is a genuine competition vehicle AND you state rules cater for dedicated rally rego or similar, there will be no full cages allowed in road cars.
You need to read everything, all the new tech info plus the cams manual.
CHeers
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RE: Mk2 Bolt in 6pt cage (alloy)
2011/07/01 00:29:47
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Yuck regarding the national rules. So how do you go with a car on full road reg thats used for the odd club event ? Any links to these rules, I'de be interested in reading these to find out what the deal is there. I know that Vicroads published their own guidelines a while back to stop canaries being issued on on cars that were running full road reg because of all the confusion about what/wasn't ok.
I've seen quite a few cars running around on various sprints/etc with non compliant cages and there haven't been any dramas, provided the cage was safe. If the cage is structurally sound the scrutineers have no grounds to knock it back nor do they have the right. That said, I'm about to build a cage for my track car and it will be logged.
This is out of the general requirements for all CAMS events, (Races - not sprints, Rallies have higher over-riding standards);
"9. non-Complying Safety Cages
In cases where the type and/or status of the event does not require an automobile to be fitted with any form of safety cage, the use of structures which do not comply with these regulations is permitted unless the Chief Scrutineer believes the structure to be of unsafe construction."
So if the scrutineer knocks you back I would be asking him to explain how the cage is unsafe and more dangerous than no cage. The door bars are one that may bring you unstuck because of height, there were some issues about that with regards to egress if you get hit.
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RE: Mk2 Bolt in 6pt cage (alloy)
2011/07/01 09:16:15
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I know this is getting a bit off topic......
If you want to read it, there is a link to the draft national rules on the forum for the Northern District Sporting Car Club.
One of the first rules of motor racing is "you will never win an argument with a scrutineer". This all gets a bit vague at times, I have been competing for around 7 years in my alloy caged car but I have never been asked for the logbook (I actually lost it and have ordered a replacement).
The wording on the cage rules were changed in the past couple of years to allow a bit more flexibility but I think this was to cater for drift cars that CAMS were trying to cater for. A lot of these things run cages done in Japan and some of them are a bit weird and wonderful. However, (and this IS JUST HERESAY) I have heard that some of the scrutineers down south have got so sick of how dodgy some of the cages are that they are recommending that these cars no longer be permitted in cams events.
But....its a simple fact that a cage is a major part of a car build and if you have not had it done right you are (a) asking for trouble eventually at an event and (b) your car won't be as saleable as most competitors do know about the requirments and will want to factor in doing a proper cage at some point in the price discussions.
The "nanny organisations" don't keep changing the rules, they were changed 10 years ago (!) and all cars that complied with the rules then have been allowed to continue race in under national level events. Even then we were given I think 2 years notice of the impending change so if you were thinking about building a car you could get it right."
It does not cost $4k to build a steel cage, my plumber is building a Group Nc Capri and he just had a steel cage done to spec for around $2k. My next Escort will be steel caged and I expect to spend around $2.5 to 3k doing that.
My over riding advice is read everything for yourself, speak to some cage builders, speak to the scrutineers in the categories and where you are likely to race and make your own decisions. Heaps of people get into a jam by accepting verbal or internet advice "my mate said etc". If you get it wrong you will (a) have to pay to fix it or (b) not be allowed to compete, and (c) most likely end up devaluing your car.
(You can read the cams manual in full on their website).
Cheers
Shaun B
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RE: Mk2 Bolt in 6pt cage (alloy)
2011/07/01 17:58:42
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I hear what your saying Shaun, and yep there are plenty of unreasonable scrutineers, but they aren't all like that. For simple club sprints what I said in the previous post applies and includes the direct quote from the CAMS manual. I used to be a scrutineer and did events from club level to national status and was always prepared to listen to the owners view.
A scrutineer only applies the rules, doesn't make them up, thats a totally different group and the manual is pretty clear that non compliant cages are allowed for sprints provided they are safe, that includes alloy.
I've seen guys turned around by scrutineers with logged cages for lower grade events when they should have been allowed to run.
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RE: Mk2 Bolt in 6pt cage (alloy)
2011/07/01 18:00:31
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Just on cage costs, Bond Cages quoted me about $1200 for a steel 6 point with intrusion bars. Its a pretty basic cage but ticks all the CAMS boxes if you want to go down that path.
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RE: Mk2 Bolt in 6pt cage (alloy)
2011/01/09 19:29:10
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G'day Kieran.
Do you know if it will fit a 4 door?
Is it the type that bolts to the rear wheel arch or the rear parcel shelf?
Cheers Glenn
Hi Glenn, Sorry about the late reply just got back from summernats. it bolts thru the parcel shelf mate. Wouldn't have a clue about it fitting a 4 door.
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RE: Mk2 Bolt in 6pt cage (alloy)
2011/01/10 21:36:17
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No problem mate, I can take english pounds no worries 
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RE: Mk2 Bolt in 6pt cage (alloy)
2011/01/11 16:44:12
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Hi
Kizza off the subject
any pix from the nats??
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RE: Mk2 Bolt in 6pt cage (alloy)
2011/01/11 18:31:29
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Originally posted by cosmic
Hi
Kizza off the subject
any pix from the nats??
Hey mate got a few but haven't got my camera at the moment sorry mate.
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