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Re: wierd stalling problem 2019/12/10 14:28:34 (permalink)
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Before flushing, remove thermostat for full flow. Then REVERSE FLUSH the whole system inc Rad, or separately, but reverse F~ both the RAD and the Engine.  Before re-fitting Thermostat, bench test it whether it's the old one or a new one, and ensure it opens and closes correctly as per instructions on a reputable "Engine Service" website. 
 
Even tho I dont think this is your problem, theres no harm in ensuring a clean Cooling System.
 
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Re: wierd stalling problem 2019/12/11 12:39:11 (permalink)
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A clean out at my local rad guy is $150.  Recores for the V6 are $450+ as there is only one supplier now of the required core-there is some part that makes it unique.

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Re: wierd stalling problem 2019/12/11 22:50:52 (permalink)
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wow thats expensive flush.  Just take the radiator out and drop it into a Natrad or local repair shop for a dunk in the tank and a pressure flush, also make sure you have a thermostat fitted




I rag natrad and that quoted me 800 + for a recore so I would imagine that a dunk and clean would cast about half that...   a new 2-3 core would cost 250 in alloy..  it is expensive rad cleaner but seem to be th best one on the market that works ,  it flushes the block and rad at the same time , no real use in doing a rad change unless I try remove as much scale out of the block as well so I don't end up with another block rad ..  other than that I was going to pull the heads off to convert to unleaded valve seats this yr and new valve stem seals as well , so ill just have a good think on when or what stage to do it..
 
I took the capri out yesterday just local drive and kept a eye on the temp didn't get to half way as it was bit cooler yesterday but had thermos fan on , it didn't stall at all .. but I know if it reached half way it would of stalled and ran like crap , missing and stalling . its weird alright as I remember when I put new head gaskets on one looked dodgy I put them on and 4 months later head gasket blew and in the spot I thought was dodgy payen gasket.  it heated up way over half lucky I was only 2 min from home but the car didn't carry on like it is now at half way .. it stalled few times when it was blown in the 2 min to get home ..  the only thing I can think is just maybe the temp switch being as they are is showing less than what it really is and at half way its actually running very hot , but I have no way coming out of over flow tube .. so I think I try the flush and get new alloy rad as I can find any that resemble oem one 




HEY ROD !
 
The only thing you havent changed is your IGNITION SWITCH &/or COIL POSITIVE IGNITION WIRE/ballast resistor ........ !
 
ASSUMING POINTS ARE STILL IN, DO THE FOLLOWING which takes 5 minutes, and bypasses all above !  .........
 (if electronic, youll need to check with maker on safe method to "hotwire" the ignition)
 
Get a regular piece of auto insulated wire with Aligator Clips at each end.
Place one Clip on POSITIVE or IGN side of Coil ...........(NEVER on neg Points side),
connect other Clip to POSITIVE BATTERY TERMINAL. 
 
After youre sure "jumper wire" is secure, start the engine and go for a roadtest. If it continues to behave, ALWAYS disconnect the jumper wire when you're no longer running the engine and/or parked the car..... Re-connect and disconnect each time you use the car, until youre convinced theres no more poblems. 
If this proves the problem, start with looking for a "broken wire" or loose connection in the Coil to Ign Sw Wire before replacing the more complicated job of Ignition Switch, assuming you havent got loose connections at the actual switch itself.
 
nb...........  when you go to turn off engine at key, it will likely keep running until you disconnect "aligator clip" at Coil FIRST 
post edited by BEEVEE - 2019/12/11 23:03:28

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Re: wierd stalling problem 2019/12/12 20:52:52 (permalink)
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cheers boys ..  I started on the rad flush as mention not cheap at 150 for part a and b …  but it does up to 30 + litres depending what your cars are . so it will go into the vk as well , put part a in today started it let it get warmed up then shut if off , will do the same again tomorrow until liquid goes clear from green looking crap..  should of taken pics before and after but too late now...
 
hey beevee  iwas thinking of doing that as well , bypassing the resistor but I always thought when resitor fails it would fail at almost point noy just when car gets  halfway..... I have this feeling its a manifold gasket , or the start of headgasket leaking  as there is nothing else I can think as while it would always do it at half way temp, wasn't evetr getting to half way when I first had it running  so something is getting it hot and making it stall and as mentioned when running just above the blue it runs perfect and doesn't miss a beat ..
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Re: wierd stalling problem 2019/12/23 13:07:31 (permalink)
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Can 100% Guarantee you it wont be IM Gasket .............  try my suggestion as above as it only takes 5 seconds
 
This way, (starting at simple things first), you wont feel so bad after many hours of un-necessary work that gives you zero results
 
Hey Rod, it's not only the resistor you're bypassing; it's bypassing ALL your ignition wiring AND Ignition Switch which have potential for MANY partial breaks in the wires at ANY point, and poor/loose/worn-out IGn Sw Contacts !!!!!!!!!!!
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Re: wierd stalling problem 2019/12/26 00:21:25 (permalink)
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yeah I will try the bypass wire .. I still think there is a slight manifold leak tho  as I can see the revs climb a bit when it gets upto operating temps..  just might be the risitor wire ...
 
is there any way of testing the resistor on cold and hot 
 
 
I think it also may be as mentioned loose or broken wire ..  ill go thru and re check the connections ..  might be something there as it stalled coming to a roundabout  tried to clutch it but wouldn't kick until I turned ignition off and then on again then it started.. so could just be a wire getting hot or bad connection .. just wierd as it will go for quite a while then decide to play up when it gets to half way or i park the car then go again 30 or so min later it will do it for a bit then run fine ..
 
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Re: wierd stalling problem 2019/12/26 09:05:21 (permalink)
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Have you tried the "hotwire" 5 minute test yet (Pos jumper wire from BATT POS to COIL POS) 
 
Never Bat Pos to Neg points side or you'll have melt-down damage immediately! 

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Re: wierd stalling problem 2019/12/29 17:42:05 (permalink)
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What ignition coil are you running 9v or 12v. As Bevee states it might have something to do with Ballast wire. I prefer nowadays to get rid of it and run a 12v as batteries are much better 50 years on. If the ballast wire is old it heats up more and causes a fire issue or maybe in your case just more resistance and failure. When it cools you get it driving again. You maybe need to get it on the open road for a good clean out on the open road for a solid hour of just driving without stopping which could work wonders or show the real cause.
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Re: wierd stalling problem 2020/01/06 10:19:25 (permalink)
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Im in suspenders waiting for this "hotwire" test ............. a 1 minute job that tells a lot
 
Have you done it yet ?

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Re: wierd stalling problem 2020/01/06 20:10:27 (permalink)
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happy new yr fellas 
 
no haven't done the hotwire yet as im sure running the electronic system I have to do it a different way I think my coil could be 9v as its a 1.5ohm's 
 
but had a bit of time so off came the top end and decided to change head gaskets.  it was lucky I did as I notice one was probably on its way out.
but that didn't change the issue thought it was only happening when hot but it does it when it feels like 
 
im going to remove the carby and check the float doesn't have a pin hole in it as a friend of mine had similar issue 
 
i have to get another radiator first as mine is pretty **** and the flush didn't really clean it out that much.
 
as i really need to get that right before doing the hot wire test .. 
 
has anybody brought a alloy one for there capri that might be able to direct me to where I can buy one.. 
i have seen these on ebay but not sure if they will be ok .
re doing mine is going to cost 800 odd so I think a alloy one at 260 might be a better option for now
 

https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/ALUMINUM-RADIATOR-FORD-CAPRI-RS-ESCORT-SUPERSPEED-MK1-ESSEX-V6-2-6-3L/262012747111?fits=Model%3ACapri%7CMake%3AFord&hash=item3d012d3d67:g:uLYAAOSwd0BV1WuU
 
https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/3Row-Radiator-Ford-Capri-MK1-MK2-MK3-Kent-1-3L-1-6L-2-0-Essex-Escort-RS1600/193002907384?fits=Model%3ACapri%7CMake%3AFord&hash=item2cefdea6f8:g:UzAAAOSwVZtdMpku
 
just have to see what size the hoses are as some of these are 38mm and some 35
would the above ones be ok to use
im still thinking its a fuel issue rather than electrical 
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Re: wierd stalling problem 2020/01/08 11:57:11 (permalink)
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Perfect time to try "hotwire" 1 minute test was when you had points and condenser installed, but..........
 
If your electronic system has only one wire to POS side of elec coil, you can still perform same hotwire test
 
It appears you're making a mountain out of a grain of sand .......... 
                   I would feel extremely unhappy if I ignored the suggestion of a Qualified Mechanic and went thru
what you're going thru and then found the "hotwire" test proved your problem was a simple POS wire from coil to
Ign Sw , or BAT pos wire to IGN Sw, with the worst scenario being a crook Ign Sw !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Re: wierd stalling problem 2020/01/08 13:48:52 (permalink)
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Perfect time to try "hotwire" 1 minute test was when you had points and condenser installed, but..........
 
If your electronic system has only one wire to POS side of elec coil, you can still perform same hotwire test
 
It appears you're making a mountain out of a grain of sand .......... 
                   I would feel extremely unhappy if I ignored the suggestion of a Qualified Mechanic and went thru
what you're going thru and then found the "hotwire" test proved your problem was a simple POS wire from coil to
Ign Sw , or BAT pos wire to IGN Sw, with the worst scenario being a crook Ign Sw !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


I know what your saying , but rad is leaking and clogged so it was due for a change , I just fitted head gaskets as I wasn't happy with the previous lot..  to do the hot wire test I need to drive the car , I can have it sitting on idle for ages and it wont stall,  I need to do a road test , sometimes I can go for a 1 hr drive it wont stall then all then other times a ten min run will stall .. so its hard to do the hot wire test until I can drive it..  if I have the 1.5 ohm coil would I have to use different coil , or would I need to install a external ballast resistor to it ..  as the standard starts at 12 volt to coil the reduces down to 9 volt if I just by pass it wont the coil get really hot at 12v continuous feed 
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Re: wierd stalling problem 2020/01/08 22:58:50 (permalink)
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Regulated voltage is 14.4v so if you bypass the resistor for too long you risk damaging the coil and other ign system components.  Even with the resistor electrical fires and melted ign switch connectors were the reason many people started fitting relays in their elect system.
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Re: wierd stalling problem 2020/01/15 17:53:42 (permalink)
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still looking for radiator and wasn't sure about the length of the ones on ebay as mine is like 580 width from mounting bracket to bracket .. also was looking for any other option I might see for a bigger rad in the car to keep cool as im more likely to be driving in traffic these days in sydney
 
so I came across this one thinking I might be able to mod it to fit the capri what do you blokes think or has anybody used a bigger one of another make to fit the v6 slam panel  im thinking i can cut the back shroud of and make new mounting tabs to fit the capri its a bit wider than the stock v6
rad mine is width 550 bracket to bracket 90mm from face of bracket to radiator face with of rad core is about 50mm  
height is 470mm or 495 to top of radiator cap
 https://www.ebay.com.au/i...884147af301632d89b3dc8

 

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Re: wierd stalling problem 2020/01/17 16:36:51 (permalink)
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hink this one is about the closest one I can find that should be able to mod and mount up
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