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Re: V6 3.0L duratec 2019/07/31 13:14:08 (permalink)
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See what you mean about that sump position. There is allot at the back of the motor like the water pump etc which pushes the motor along way forward, particularly in relation to the fly wheel.


The S type and XF Jag version have the water pump on the front of the engine, for the Escape engine cut off the water pump drive from the back of the cam them use an electric water pump.

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Re: V6 3.0L duratec 2019/08/01 06:24:54 (permalink)
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Thanks Blue,
I found this out yesterday when heading to the wreckers. The dimensions i was working off was wrong, like you said.
I think it will fit, maybe without any sub modifications, but will go back again today to measure.
 
Have you put one in a Capri?
 
There is a place on the web which are putting them into Mx5. They sell new sumps, adapter plates, fly wheels etc to mate them up to 5 and 6 speed boxes.
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Re: V6 3.0L duratec 2019/08/01 19:58:40 (permalink)
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a duratec in a capri - it was a headache...

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Re: V6 3.0L duratec 2019/08/01 22:13:20 (permalink)
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That is a tidy install Spud, looks like the firewall was recessed to shift the engine back. 
Looks like the Escape/Tribute version, I think the sump on that engine would need less mods than the Jag sump.
 
Ionix, I am working on the rear body work and diff at the moment so haven't got to fitting the engine yet. Mine will be mounted to a Silvia cross member (front bowl sump) so will be different to a Capri fitment.
The Rocketeer kit looks nice but pricey.
An option (I may do yet) is to use the Mondeo/Cougar V6 Manual flywheel as it is single mass and a lot lighter than the Jag one. I will have to make up a spacer for the Jag ring gear to fit over as the Mondeo ring gear is a smaller diameter. Still waiting for my Mondeo to die though so I can strip it for parts.
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Re: V6 3.0L duratec 2019/08/02 05:31:37 (permalink)
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a duratec in a capri - it was a headache...

Looks good spud
Was the choice made the move the engine back for weight, or was this so the sump didn't need modification( assuming it's the Escape version with the bowl at rear of the engine) or was this also needed to get the gearbox in a good position ? What box was used with this? Getrag?
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Re: V6 3.0L duratec 2019/08/02 06:31:17 (permalink)
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I don’t know - not mine. A guy in Melbourne did it
But yes - no sump probs it’s it back that far 🤭
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Re: V6 3.0L duratec 2019/08/02 07:03:57 (permalink)
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Thanks Spud.
 
I have sketched up what I require sump wise as a minimum.
 
Pink indicates what the current sump looks like, green indicates require sump arrangement. The dashed green line was just an alternative to avoid having two bowls, which is the way id go.
 
I just want to look at changing the cross member arrangement as well before looking at new sumps. My thought here is that if i used the Escape sump on the Jag motor. Ill take some more measurements and do some more cad drawings.
 
I have been in contact with the Rocketek guys as well. They are talking about $500 US for sump and pickup, which ends up nearly the same price as the whole motor.
 
 

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Re: V6 3.0L duratec 2019/08/02 07:23:23 (permalink)
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Well it’ll be a great thing - better motor than the. Cosworth- I think
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Re: V6 3.0L duratec 2019/08/07 16:44:01 (permalink)
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Things are moving forward. Currently working through the 3d model of the sump than will trial fit on the motor than off to casting for the prototype.
Once thats sorted I'll move onto flywheel and gearbox adapter arrangement.
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Re: V6 3.0L duratec 2019/08/07 19:20:15 (permalink)
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Will you cast a new sump or just modify the existing one to suit?
Pretty sure there is an adapter already available to adapt the engine to an RX8 box if you want to save yourself the hassle.
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Re: V6 3.0L duratec 2019/08/07 20:16:39 (permalink)
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I was going to cast new so I could get them made for others if wanted. I thought that way it will keep it looking as factory as possible. I did find the adapter for the mx5 but not rx8. I will keep looking though:)
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Re: V6 3.0L duratec 2019/08/07 23:07:05 (permalink)
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What computer set up r u thinking of using
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Re: V6 3.0L duratec 2019/08/08 05:36:58 (permalink)
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What computer set up r u thinking of using

The thought is megasquirt at this stage as that is what I used on the escort.
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Re: V6 3.0L duratec 2019/08/09 22:01:40 (permalink)
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What are people's thoughts on clutches? Something that will handle stock power or get the flywheel made to suit something better?
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Re: V6 3.0L duratec 2019/08/10 07:17:02 (permalink)
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I’m happy with 230 odd from the jaguar version
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