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Preserve your door trims
Hi All, This maybe old hat to some people but have just started to refurbish my rear qtr trims- swapping good vinyl from bad cards to good cards with bad vinyl. The vinyl didn't lift cleanly so ended up with patches of roughed up board. Not good surface to have to re-attach new vinyl. Bit of fine paper and light rubdown to remove nap from surface and then , following advice given a while ago by chippy son used MDF primer with literally a dab of water to thin and provide a good stable clean surface on which to reglue my other set , once they're stripped off other set of cards. Gave the back of boards a coat as well for protection. Will let you guys know how well this works. Will do the same to my front ones if it turns out ok. Same thing applies to reshaping distorted trims - they were created with steam and pressure so don't be afraid to give boards a good wetting and use some pressure and weight to flatten boards and reform curved tops- I had previously assumed this would damage them, Cheers, Len
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Re: Preserve your door trims
2014/11/17 08:10:36
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Great post Len, very handy information
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Re: Preserve your door trims
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Re: Preserve your door trims
2015/01/24 13:01:56
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Hi Russ, The rear trims are currently on hold as I have the same job to do with the front ones, which have taken priority as I have a new pair of splits to install as well. I have wet down and flattened out the first one and reset the curve on the top. Going to mix up a little f/glass resin and strengthen some areas -the keyholes for the clips are a bit soft and a couple of areas where the board is a bit spongy. Will then put on mdf primer and get ready to fit new foam and vinyl. Pls ignore the first photo- accidently clicked on it and can't workout how to delete it!! Cheers, Len
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Re: Preserve your door trims
2015/01/26 10:21:25
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Nice one Len, what are you doing with the plastic chrome moulds in the trims? Apparently you can get them re-foiled, I was going to get some foil chrome from the signwriters and have a go myself... any other ideas? Cheers Drew.......
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Re: Preserve your door trims
2015/01/26 23:05:35
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Hi Drew I'm doing custom trims - just going to put a polished alloy strip top and bottom of the trim, not doing the oval shape in the middle. Does your signwriter have a scanner? If so get him to scan the chrome shape and then have it computer cut from the foil. It will follow the contours ok and will only need tweaking to fit smoothly around the bends. I guess it will depend on how smooth the chrome section is as to how the finish will look, maybe lots of careful sanding might be involved if the surface is broken. If the trim is just faded then it should go a lot easier. I can get my mate to use his computer cutter to do the same in the alloy composite he has to get the same shape if I decide to go that way. They have a very thin and very sticky clear doublesided tape they put on the back so it wont come off in a hurry. The alloy RS badges are stuck onto the car with this stuff. There are also guys who do plastic chroming but getting the strips off the trim and refitting would be a nightmare. It took a lot of care and effort just to strip off the old vinyl of the trims I am refurbishing. I presume you want to over the chrome strips without disturbing them. Cheers, Len
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Re: Preserve your door trims
2015/01/31 15:07:21
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Thanks Len, Getting it all sorted at the moment, the signwriter I know is an Escort freak aswell so I'm feeling confident... I'll post some pics on this thread when its done.... Cheers Drew.....
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Re: Preserve your door trims
2015/02/01 14:57:39
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Looking forward to some pics, hope it all goes well. Always helps when someone doing a job for you has a personal interest in what he is doing. Len
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Re: Preserve your door trims
2015/02/13 22:53:52
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Hi All, First front door trim is almost complete. As posted earlier put a little resin round the keyholes for the clips to strengthen them and also the rounded corners at the bottom as the card was spongy, then put the mdf primer on to seal the surface, especially the areas disturbed where the heat pressings had broken the surface. Cut out the holes for the new splits and the hole for the remote mirror control. Two different thicknesses of foam, the thinner one for the rolltop section as per the original padding. Cut out all the usual holes for window winders etc and glued on. Same for black vinyl and fitted speakers and courtesy light, Gave my mate the specs to cut for the alloy strips to be fitted top and bottom. Also made up the plastic cover for the inner door and fitted the plastic cups for the clips. With the cards a bit swollen around the keyholes I decided that I needed ones with a deeper head to go through properly- a trip to the wreckers quickly showed me that BA-BF Falcons had what I was looking for, fit nice and snug with out Breaking up the keyholes. Pics so far...
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Re: Preserve your door trims
2015/03/19 23:40:21
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Hi All, Finished and installed the completed front door panels, have fitted the metal strips top and bottom and also made up a strip to follow the shape of the arm rest assy but still not sure if I should use it, pics attached. Now starting on the rear qtr panels. The good vinyl on the stuffed cards came off almost by itself as heat had done it's work in separating them. Gave the back of the vinyl a good clean with water and stiff brush to remove the furry bits and then used wax/grease remover to get rid of old glue residue and give pristine surface to put new adhesive on. Pretty sure heat and pressure was used to fit the vinyl originally so will have to duplicate process. I have sat the back board on a framework to support it, especially the recessed section for the armrest. I will sit the vinyl in the sun for a little while to heat and soften it, as well as have the heat gun handy. Fit the vinyl in place and clamp it in several key spots to fix its position and use welding gloves to shield my hands while I push and stretch it into place, especially the curves of the recess. The pressure to hold it in place will come from the weight of bags of sand which I will use to fill up the recess while it cools. If this works then I will simply be able to glue it in place with out worrying if the heat will set the glue too quickly. Will find out in the next day or so if this works..... Len
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Re: Preserve your door trims
2015/03/22 23:44:53
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OK folks, tried my little experiment- now on to plan B.... Don't know if its the type of vinyl ( I have remarked to my brother on previous occasions how it seems to be like rubber !) or whether numerous years of separation from the card has made the material shrink but heating and stretching has had no effect and I couldn't get the material to come even close to following the contours of the armrest recess. Plan B consists of reusing the original I stripped off, making some cosmetic repairs and respraying with black vinyl paint. Did a dry refit and a much more snug fit which should bond nicely to the refurbished cards.....Will know in a day or so. Len
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Re: Preserve your door trims
2015/03/23 04:20:56
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love to see the process Len, i`ve always had trouble with deep recesses like that
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Re: Preserve your door trims
2015/04/22 09:58:03
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Kevin Tetz did a series of videos, a lot of them, in one (don't ask) it outlines how to remove chrome plating from plastics. It was a chemical process that required a bucket, chemical & time. I don't recall the chemical but it was common household, something like metho or its like. More of a lead really, just to let you know there is an easy way :)
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Re: Preserve your door trims
2015/04/22 10:10:54
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Greasemeup Kevin Tetz did a series of videos, a lot of them, in one (don't ask) it outlines how to remove chrome plating from plastics. It was a chemical process that required a bucket, chemical & time. I don't recall the chemical but it was common household, something like metho or its like. More of a lead really, just to let you know there is an easy way :)
Your thinking of Muriatic Acid, it will eat the chrome plate off plastic without touching the plastic, it will eat other metals too so dont try to strip metal badges this way
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Re: Preserve your door trims
2015/04/24 21:04:30
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Hi All, ok, have had the first go at refitting the old vinyl onto the good cards. For the first one I have used the cutout for the ashtray and the seam recess around the armrest section as the fixed points to work from. I found on gluing a test section that priming the face of the card was probably a bit of over kill as the glue wouldn't tack off properly in some areas where the paint was a bit thick, so got some paper and gave it a rub down , particularly around the edges. I used contact cement, selleys now do it in gel form which is a lot easier to spread. Didn't come out too bad, used the bags of sand again to keep pressure on the curves in the recess. On the next one I am going to glue the edges and work from the top down to see if I can get more stretch in the material as I found myself a little bit short on the edges in a couple of places where there wasn't much material to play with. Pics of first card attached, finished in satin black vinyl spray. Len
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