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2014/04/28 11:57:14 (permalink)
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Harness Mounting Types

What the accepted consensus on mounting shoulder straps on a harness these days in a caged Escort - for safety and compliance?
 
I do not have a cross-over bar right behind seats, only between rear arches.
 
I am now confused as to getting eyelets style mounts are loop over straps.
 
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    Re: Harness Mounting Types 2014/04/28 18:48:42 (permalink)
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    Using the cross bar between the strut towers can present an issue with the belt angle if you are using a Hans device - if too low it apparently puts alot of downward strain through your shoulders.  Also, the longer the rear length of belt the more stretch you will get.
     
    Is the car for competition?  Have you consulted the CAMS and FIA info?
     
    When designing my car I could not really find any facts as to whether rear eyelets were any better or worse than wrapping teh belt around the rear bar.  I went with wrap around.
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    Re: Harness Mounting Types 2014/04/28 20:33:59 (permalink)
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    Hi Mk1_Oz,
     
    No not competition so hadn't consulted CAMS. I will have a look on their site now though.
    Currently I have a 4point mounted through top of rear firewall/bulkhead area via eyelets.
     
    If I can't find too much info I will run with the same as I want to setup for a passenger with next harness.
     
    Thanks,
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    Re: Harness Mounting Types 2014/04/28 20:52:00 (permalink)
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    I don't have a cage in my car yet. So I got a bar made up to fit under the rear parcel shelf.

     
    Fits in here

     
    I've got the same for the passenger side, but need to get more power before adding another seat and person into the car :)

     
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    Re: Harness Mounting Types 2014/04/29 20:58:04 (permalink)
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    THat bar looks to be a good idea.  If the car is to be used on the road I dare say most states would require an engineering certificate?
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    Re: Harness Mounting Types 2014/04/29 21:29:36 (permalink)
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    That bar is a great idea, any idea of what it would cost to get another made up? More pictures of how harness is mounted to it up close?
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    Re: Harness Mounting Types 2014/04/30 07:16:06 (permalink)
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    Hi Hak, that bar is a good idea. Thanks for sharing pics.
     
    I have gone ahead and ordered a new eyelet mounting style harness.
     
    Going to run with the FIA approved style mounting plates to get me through the next track day for simplicity of install.
     
    Cheers
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    Re: Harness Mounting Types 2014/04/30 09:21:06 (permalink)
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    My understanding is eyelet or wrap around depends more on the harness. If you previously bolred through the parcel shelf then the eyelet attachment woyld suite your harnesses. Note cams is bringing in compulsory hans type devices, so best you review if that will apply to you and gear up accordingly.

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    Re: Harness Mounting Types 2014/04/30 10:21:53 (permalink)
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    I grabbed all the dimensions and contacted Garry at GazSpeed up in Sydney (0411 553 725 is the number I have for him). It was in 2011 so I can't remember how much it was. I think he was offering to do more for about $200.


    I had to drill 3 new holes at each end for the mounting bolts.



    And then 2 more larger holes each side for the eye bolts.



    I grabbed some 3" clip-in brackets and then checked out this site to get the wrapping right: http://www.schroth.com/in...ructions/en/index.html



    If there are any other pics you want let me know and I can shoot to the shed and take some.
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    Re: Harness Mounting Types 2014/04/30 12:36:00 (permalink)
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    That bar is looks awesome, excellent idea. Something I will look into in the future for myself

    If the harness is only going to be used for track days. I would think you may get away with it being hidden under the rear parcel shelf for a registered road car as the rear seat and some strategically placed covers over the eyelets would conceal the harness bar. The standard belts would have to be retained.
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    Re: Harness Mounting Types 2014/05/04 13:41:40 (permalink)
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    Wrapping the belts around a bar is always better as it takes out a short radius bend in the belts and distributes the load better. Of course this is contingent on having an appropriate bar. As previously mentioned it is much better to attach the belts just behind the seat as this limits the amount of stretch. The angle is also very important, and not just for HANS applications as mentioned as compression of the spine is a big problem. I understand that a competitor at last years Alpine Rally hit a tree and the belt compressed his spine resulting in some spinal damage. The CAMS manual is the best source of information on this.
     
    The bar shown above mounted in the boot is a good compromise for cars without a proper roll cage. However don't pass the belts over the back seat as this will deform in a shunt and effectively lengthen the belts. Using approved belt/seat plates in the same location will also work and will be much lighter.
     
    All good harness manufacturers supply with eye bolts but can be removed for a wrap application.
     
    Hope this helps.
     
    Cheers, David Vervaart. VSport Victoria.
     
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