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To Zetec or not to Zetec
I came across this thread today whilst doing a google search... and could not believe what I was reading! http://www.turbosport.co.uk/showthread.php?176226-Zetec-in-LHD-Escort Hi!
Did the Testdrive.....have massive Problems with the Carbsetup.Made the idle jets a little wider,now it's fine.
Cant fit the Airfilters from the Weber Alpha kit ....no room !Order some filter socks over here.
To the performance:I'm a little disapointed!
It,s NOT better than the old Pinto lump,only better on fuel.
So for me it wasn't worth all the money and work i spend.
But now the Zetec is in and maybe i can do some improvements to the Head,maybe in Winter.
Cheers
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Re:To Zetec or not to Zetec
2012/11/22 11:01:22
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Depends on what spec his Pinto was.
I believe the Silvertop is around the 130hp mark and if he hasn't had his Carbs set up properly on a dyno I'm not surprised he is disappointed.
Although Burton claim you'll see 165bhp on a 2 litre from the Weber Alpha kit.
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Matt
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Re:To Zetec or not to Zetec
2012/11/22 11:10:30
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I'm not sure but do the weber carb progression holes need to be modified to avoid inconsistent throttle response etc?
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Re:To Zetec or not to Zetec
2012/11/22 13:07:54
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ratta tat tat
I came across this thread today whilst doing a google search... and could not believe what I was reading!
http://www.turbosport.co.uk/showthread.php?176226-Zetec-in-LHD-Escort
Hi!
Did the Testdrive.....have massive Problems with the Carbsetup.Made the idle jets a little wider,now it's fine.
Cant fit the Airfilters from the Weber Alpha kit ....no room !Order some filter socks over here.
To the performance:I'm a little disapointed!
It,s NOT better than the old Pinto lump,only better on fuel.
So for me it wasn't worth all the money and work i spend.
But now the Zetec is in and maybe i can do some improvements to the Head,maybe in Winter.
Cheers
Why are you not surprised what you're reading? If anyone already has a half decent Pinto and thinks that sticking a Zetec in with sidedrafts is going to perform any better they are delusional. It's not until you modify the Zetec that it will perform any better than a healthy Pinto. Woz
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Re:To Zetec or not to Zetec
2012/11/22 14:02:21
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I gotta say I am also a bit surprised here.. I mean I have never come across a zetec in an old ford, but if you believe what you read, then 130hp as base on the zetec is pretty much on par with a healthy pinto (let's say 120-130hp).
From what I understand, any greater outputs on the pinto require the sort of camshafts I really wouldnt wan to have on a road car! Again, maybe he just needs the thing jetted properly!
Looks like a bit of monkeying around to get the thing to fit... at least he got to keep boosted brakes!
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Re:To Zetec or not to Zetec
2012/11/22 17:46:49
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The link from the OP is related to performance when comparing it to a decent Pinto to a Std zetec.
If you think you're going to stick a std zetec in and have bucket loads more power you're wrong, in fact a Pinto done right makes around 40+ more horsepower than the equivelant Zetec with the same hang ons (carbs, extractors). I would in fact argue that a Pinto done right with the same power as a std Zetec would be almost as pleasant and just as reliable.
There is no doubt that something multivalve is more drivable than something highly strung. If you had a 200hp Pinto and a 200hp Zetec then the Zetec should be more pleasant to drive done correctly.
I am still a firm beleiver of unless you want 190+ horspower and nice "all round" performance you just wouldn;t bother with the conversion.
Cheers
Woz
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Re:To Zetec or not to Zetec
2012/11/22 17:55:29
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Without reiterating anything, I completely agree with Woz on this.
Cheers
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Re:To Zetec or not to Zetec
2012/11/22 18:34:23
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Some sound advice guys, thanks! As my kent has run out of steam (poor compression), I am tossing up between going zetec or pinto at the moment. I am starting to lean towards pinto as; Im not chasing mega HP - FR32 cam and injection would probably get me where Im aiming for. Being road going and just having lashed out the cash for 13" minilights and tyres, Im not interested in doing big brakes and thus ditching my booster and having to invest in a pedal box etc would simply be too expensive. Or am I wrong, is there a zetec induction solution out there that doesnt foul the booster? Once again, big ups for the wisdom! 
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Re:To Zetec or not to Zetec
2012/11/22 19:05:45
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Going from a crossflow to a Pinto has really opened my eyes. OHC and belt drive has made a world of difference. The leap in technology is most apparent!!
I understand a zetec is probably a 'nicer' road engine but really, who would spend all that time, effort and most importantly "money" to have a 'nice' car with same power output? It's nonsensical to me
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Re:To Zetec or not to Zetec
2012/11/22 19:20:17
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You'd be looking at at least $6k and a lot of dicking around to get a Zetec in there plus the engineering certificate.
Where as your Pinto will slot in nicely and for $6k you'll certainly achieve your above goals and then some.
Matt
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Re:To Zetec or not to Zetec
2012/11/22 21:24:50
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But can a Pinto look like this....! 
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Re:To Zetec or not to Zetec
2012/11/22 21:27:22
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Re:To Zetec or not to Zetec
2012/11/22 21:47:43
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I have had some experience with both engines, personally a dead stock 1.8 ZETEC runnning carbs was almost identical performance to a very worked injected pinto. This was evident during a FOSC run at bathurst in 2009. There was basically nothing in it. #95 (zetec) #172 (pinto) http://racing.natsoft.com...ct_34402928.94F/View?3 http://racing.natsoft.com...t_34402928.94F/View?21 I since swapped out the 1.8 for a st170 lump again dead stock and using the same carbs 45mm dellortos. And took close to 15 seconds of a lap time at bathurst the following year. So after spending close to 5k in 2008 building the pinto that went pop up mountian straight, I changed camps to Zetec, the 1.8 was $150 the st170 $1250, both motors copped an absolute flogging and while I can't comment on the 1.8 the st170 is still going strong and produces 146 rwhp while not as big a figure as the pinto at 159 rwhp, it has been ultra reliable and after the initial expense of conversion parts the economies are valid, say a max of 2k for an st170, opposed to 5k for a hot pinto... I know the St170 has more potential but its tops as is and super reliable. I doubt there is many pintos running punching at this level. for cost, replacement cost, reliability, and power delivery. In summary qualitfying times very hot pinto 3:09.75 DNF event 1.8 zetec 3:01.95 (stock internal) Competed all weekend ST170 2:54.83 competed all weekend EXACTLY the same car.
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Re:To Zetec or not to Zetec
2012/11/22 22:02:17
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The zetec just fills out the engine bay better!
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Re:To Zetec or not to Zetec
2012/11/22 22:38:26
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Very interesting the pinto & st170 power vs times. Good post!
Would you put it down to weight? Or perhaps smoother power delivery? Better torque or..?
I had a 2.3 duratec engine which i was previously planning to install into my mk1 (since changed to f20c), but i was surprised how heavy it still was. Probably not quiet as heavy as a full iron pinto but still not as light as a crossflow.
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