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Re:+80 hp. How would you do it?
2011/12/05 22:55:49
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lately ive been tempted with the idea of an engine swap, but my knowledge about motors other then pinto and 308 is extremely limited.
wats the diff between a silvertop /blacktop etc. for the 2 litre versions, what model car they out of?
whats it take to turn it long ways?
backward conversion to carbs hard? or better to stick with f/i.
please someone point me in the direction of people with these setups so i can study their build and learn what i can without asking the stupid and obvious questions
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Re:+80 hp. How would you do it?
2011/12/05 23:28:53
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To do a reliable 180+ pinto from top to bottom, including carbs, manifold, extractors, dizzy and all the hang ons, then to tune it and have it running correctly will set you back around the $10,000 mark. If you do it right it will last you for years. Easily acheived with sensible work, just depends on what you prefer.
I'd imagine a Zetec conversion with similar power, carbs, manifold and hang ons would be bordering on a similar price by the time it's actually in the car and running?? Someone else may be able to shed some more light on the costs involved there??
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Re:+80 hp. How would you do it?
2011/12/06 06:58:24
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Very unlikely to see more than 170hp out of Zetec without opening it up and spending the same dollars in the same areas as any engine.
Zetec cost also has a lot to do with what ECU and induction. Injection starts at the fuel tank.
If you want to stick with what your comfortable with stick with it. The increase your after is realistic. With the right parts and assistance you will get a reliable engine.
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Re:+80 hp. How would you do it?
2011/12/07 14:42:30
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Paul could you outline how you would get the 170hp,thats about an extra 35 to 40hp right?
I was toying with the idea of a pinto with around the 150hp mark to keep it hassle free and reliable.
A 170hp zetec would'nt be straining to much at all would it?
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Re:+80 hp. How would you do it?
2011/12/07 15:50:09
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Fords new 1L Turbo is quoteded to have 125bhp.
I'm wondering if the standard 4 speed will bolt up?
Has anyone else run faster than 15.5 in a n/a sohc streetcar?
Because you need 82rwhp, or 110 at the flywheel to do mid 15's.
What you think about, you bring about. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eoPEt3rDSSE "If everything seems under control, you're just not going fast enough." - Mario Andretti
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Re:+80 hp. How would you do it?
2011/12/07 17:22:56
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RSman4ever
Paul could you outline how you would get the 170hp,thats about an extra 35 to 40hp right?
I was toying with the idea of a pinto with around the 150hp mark to keep it hassle free and reliable.
A 170hp zetec would'nt be straining to much at all would it?
Cams and some headwork will see a Zetec to 170hp pretty comfortably, and reliably (I'm assuming thats the engine you meant!), assuming it has either webers or a decent inlet with injection. Cheers, Woz EDIT: Sorry Paul, just noted that was a message for you!
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Re:+80 hp. How would you do it?
2011/12/07 17:37:33
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Fords new 1L Turbo is quoteded to have 125bhp.
I'm wondering if the standard 4 speed will bolt up?
With more torque than a factory fresh 2.0 Pinto, and no doubt a sizable weight saving too. Not such a nutty transplant as the engine volume might suggest.
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Re:+80 hp. How would you do it?
2011/12/08 00:00:58
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given that its heaps newer would it tech take less to get big power out of a zetec even if Forced also, can 'ecoboost' engines be found in australia? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ecoboost ford 2L ecoboost 2010 -> 200 hp (149 kW) at 5500 rpm, 221 lb·ft (300 N·m) at1750-4500 rpm ford 2L ecoboost 2011 -> 237 hp (177 kW) at 5500 rpm, 250 lb·ft (339 N·m) at 1750-4500 rpm no doubt price heavy, but comparative at all?
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Re:+80 hp. How would you do it?
2011/12/08 06:51:21
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If your looking at 200hp+ then id be looking at Duratec which again is a further step up from the Zetec with much more advanced head design etc.. Similar sort of instal costs. Just the engine is usually slightly higher in price because its newer. Though you can find bargains if you look. Only thing i see going for the zetec rather than the Duratec.. Is they make that uber cool BDA replica rocker cover only for the zetec  
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Re:+80 hp. How would you do it?
2011/12/08 13:16:32
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If your looking at 200hp+ then id be looking at Duratec which again is a further step up from the Zetec with much more advanced head design etc.. Similar sort of instal costs. Just the engine is usually slightly higher in price because its newer. Though you can find bargains if you look.
Only thing i see going for the zetec rather than the Duratec.. Is they make that uber cool BDA replica rocker cover only for the zetec
I was to the understanding that a Duratec conversion is somewhat more complex to do than a Zetec conversion due to the height?? I would put it like this if you want: up to 190hp stick with the Pinto. 190-220hp Zetec 220hp+ BD, YB or Duratec Woz
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Re:+80 hp. How would you do it?
2011/12/09 08:53:53
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That cam cover is awesome. Any idea how much??
Also, wil it fit both silver and black tops?
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Re:+80 hp. How would you do it?
2011/12/09 09:23:42
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retroford do them, I think there somewhere round the $450 mark ask SMCKA he knows a bit about them
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Re:+80 hp. How would you do it?
2011/12/09 16:13:18
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Wozzah
I was to the understanding that a Duratec conversion is somewhat more complex to do than a Zetec conversion due to the height??
I would put it like this
if you want:
up to 190hp stick with the Pinto.
190-220hp Zetec
220hp+ BD, YB or Duratec
Woz
You can simply buy a modified wet sump (or dry setup if your into that). Other than that its basically the same things you need to do besides the gearbox which you can't use type9 straight unto it. Most use rx7 or mx5, some use type9's with a bell housing to suit but they spend big money getting the gearbox strong enough. Might as well just buy an rx7 box which is plenty strong. The Zetec BDA rocker cover is just so nice though.. makes me want to do the Zetec over the Duratec purely so it has that!!
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Re:+80 hp. How would you do it?
2011/12/13 19:28:17
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Id go Zetec, use the std 2.o zetec clutch / flywheel and swap the sump for a modded Escort type(Mondeo) and water rail, Extrators from anywhere in uk, engine mounts can be made easily. Bike carbs or Weber 45's will see 160bhp , more power is cams/pulleys from USA, cheap, direct bolt in and they work great gets 185+bhp.
I have a built up Zetec which is good for 225bhp, though it will be running on LPG !!
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