Brett
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Twin Webers Certified in NSW?
I was wondering if anyone has had their twin webers engineer certified in NSW? The car in question is a 1980 mk2 escort. I spoke to an engineer and he told me I need to: 1) Get an IM240 emmissions test (this is free at Penrith RTA testing facility) 2) Pass a drive by noise test (to test induction noise) 3) Pass a stationary noise test for exhaust. 4) Pay him a couple hundred for the certificate
I figured the cost of doing it right would be about the same as getting fined, so better of spending the coin up front.
Has anyone actually passed these testes with twin 40 webers on a 1600 kent?
I have read a few tips, such as: Need a ceramic cat converter (metal ones don't pass as readily as ceramic) and a good tune (not too rich) - this will help pass emmissions test. Need air filters on carbies, possibly an air box - this will help pass drive by induction noise test. Need a mufler to pass stationary noise test.
Is there anything else to consider? Tips from someone who has done this before?
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RE: Twin Webers Certified in NSW?
2011/02/06 15:55:15
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go to someone who does'nt give a crap, did'nt bother the guy that done my blue slip. I don't think young cops know anything about carbies anyway!
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RE: Twin Webers Certified in NSW?
2011/02/06 16:03:46
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I never bothered with any of that with my old Escort, sock filtered ram tubes, solid mounted electronic fuel pump, no emissions control at all (the carbon canister was in the way of the rear carby, so rather than relocate it I threw it in the bin). You won't get any trouble from police with an Escort over things like that, they LOVE them!
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RE: Twin Webers Certified in NSW?
2011/02/06 17:26:14
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In a word - NO !!!!!
A1980 Escort has to comply with ADR27A, and twins will not pass ADR27A if the car is to be tested correctly.... (see your own compliance plate...)
I went down a similar route 15 years ago and ended up getting an early 76 Escort instead of my 79, as it only has to pass ADR27 which is a lot easier. It is one of the few "real" legal twin carbed Mk2 Escorts and has its Engineers certificate to prove it. Talking to my head guy who has most likely kicked the can now, he told me that there are requirements for HC, CO, NOX and a few other things, but in a nutshell if you can possibly get the hydrocarbons down (unburnt fuel) the NOX starts going too high as the fuel is not burning properly.... I am not an expert in this, but technically twin carbs worth any sort of performance gain at all will not meet ADR27A. How many twin carb cars were sold in Aus after 1st July 76 do you see (Other than Alfettas which were nto tuned for power). Domolmite Sprints were not imported after that date and a number of cars manufactuered after that date were no longer imported into Aus after that date...
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RE: Twin Webers Certified in NSW?
2011/06/06 14:51:27
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I totally agree with whooligan on this. As much as i love the twin webbers since going to EFI, i've never looked back. My first thoughts were that it'd sound like a buzz box but she still has the very chunky escort sound. With the cam i have, (RL32), idling with webbers was a pain, with the EFI it sits on 750-800 perfectly and drivability is heaps better, especially at low revs through carparks, though the locked diff didn't help[:x)]. Cheers Richo.
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RE: Twin Webers Certified in NSW?
2011/06/06 18:26:28
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having put cossie sierra and skylines through shed tests in the past,it is both expensive and difficult to pass.they need the car for two days in order to check emmisions on cold start then do a simmulated drive.all your carbon cannister.pvc fuel tank breather,rc breather must be in new condition.
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RE: Twin Webers Certified in NSW?
2011/06/06 18:29:23
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http://www.efihardware.com/products/1578/pro-street-kit-DCOE-4-cyl-45mm
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RE: Twin Webers Certified in NSW?
2011/06/06 20:32:00
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I've had an efi Hardware setup on my car for 10 years, highly recommend it. It cost me a lot more than that back then though. Damned economies of scale!
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Escortpower
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RE: Twin Webers Certified in NSW?
2011/06/06 20:54:50
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quote: Originally posted by fordsy
http://www.efihardware.com/products/1578/pro-street-kit-DCOE-4-cyl-45mm
Steve, they look like a good thing... [:x)] Craig.
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RE: Twin Webers Certified in NSW?
2011/06/06 22:55:14
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Sure do Craig. Apparently they run well in combination with a Wolf ECU.
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RE: Twin Webers Certified in NSW?
2011/07/06 11:00:57
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You're just jealous.  The efi hardware stuff is nice but if webers are your aim, find an early shell like Nick did. They are around.
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RE: Twin Webers Certified in NSW?
2011/07/06 11:32:32
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Wooligan, you have a good point regarding EFI, nice setup and I can see the benefits. My situation is a little different. I have a mate offer me his engine, includes twin webers, extractors, flywheel, clutch etc. A complete running engine for a quater the cost of an EFI setup. This engine has a bit of grunt, so I want to put it in the mk2.
The engine has a "Repco Gold Star Engine" sticker on the rocker cover. Does anyone know much about these Repco rebuilds? It could just be a sticker, but when we looked under the rocker cover, we found the cam was not standard but couldn't determine what it was or what else had been done to the engine.
Another question, is there any air filters that help muffle the induction noise? or does more muffle equal more restriction? I want to avoid the air box solution. [x2x]
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RE: Twin Webers Certified in NSW?
2011/07/06 12:57:37
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I don't think you'd have any chance without an airbox of meeting noise requirements.
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RE: Twin Webers Certified in NSW?
2011/07/06 19:55:11
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quote: Originally posted by Brett The engine has a "Repco Gold Star Engine" sticker on the rocker cover. Does anyone know much about these Repco rebuilds? It could just be a sticker, but when we looked under the rocker cover, we found the cam was not standard but couldn't determine what it was or what else had been done to the engine.
Not sure what grind the cam may be but the Golds Star engines were a bit more performance focussed than stock rebuilds. Repco used to be in the business of mass engine reconditioning and this is probably one of those. I used to work as an engineer at ACL's (formerly Repco) piston and ring plant where pistons were cast and machined for Australian and some export motors including locally produced Ford, Holden, Toyota and some truck motors. They made OE and aftermarket pistons with the aftermarket stuff always being technically more advanced (in terms of design and material composition) than standard 'factory' parts (that were made at the same site). A bit off topic, but the chief engineer at the time was one of Jack Brahbam's F1 engineers, so the joint had a bit of a performance focus. So short answer, I wouldn't be surprised to find other interesting goodies in the engine as well.
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RE: Twin Webers Certified in NSW?
2011/06/10 20:41:31
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Ive had 2 blue slips done with twin webers and passed both times He was more worried about the gear knob not showing a gear pattern.
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