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2024/06/11 09:04:30 (permalink)
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Hello all,
 
i need a Type 9 reconditioned, could anyone recommend someone in Sydney please.?
 
many thanks
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    Re: Recommendation 2024/06/13 21:33:32 (permalink)
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    Anyone?
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    Re: Recommendation 2024/06/13 21:52:08 (permalink)
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    Part Time Mk2 has just done his, you might have seen the pics in his thread.
     
    I'm sure Mark would be happy to do another one while he's waiting for his RS to come back from the body shop.
    Sorry, not very helpful I know.
     
    All of the bits can be bought from the like of Burtons.
    Maybe grab a manual, slab of your choice and a long weekend and have a crack?!
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    Re: Recommendation 2024/06/13 22:13:16 (permalink)
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    Any gearbox shop worth their salt will be able to rebuild it for you, the problem is getting parts. When I stripped mine down I found lots of things I needed to order, A shop would need to inspect it then give you a list to track down. 

    Or you could short cut this process and just order the following from either burtons or bearing kits in the UK and take them to a shop in advance, none of these items are a waste of money when rebuilding a gearbox because it's better to do it once while it's all apart.

    1st to 4th brass synchro rings
    Rebuild kit (all bearings and seals)
    1st gear - either the original ratio or the shorter 2.98:1 (which is more expensive as you need to replace the laygear)
    2nd gear 


    The rest should be fine unless there was catastrophic damage / abuse. The gearbox I opened and inspected recently had a hard life, massive wear on first and second gears/synchros but all the blocker bars and springs were still good. 

    Edit - Oh and the sandwich plate is a pig of a thing to get apart, that's the most difficult part of the whole disassembly. 
    post edited by PartTimeMK2 - 2024/06/13 22:17:19
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    Re: Recommendation 2024/06/14 12:26:45 (permalink)
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    Any gearbox shop worth their salt will be able to rebuild it for you, the problem is getting parts. When I stripped mine down I found lots of things I needed to order, A shop would need to inspect it then give you a list to track down. 

    Or you could short cut this process and just order the following from either burtons or bearing kits in the UK and take them to a shop in advance, none of these items are a waste of money when rebuilding a gearbox because it's better to do it once while it's all apart.

    1st to 4th brass synchro rings
    Rebuild kit (all bearings and seals)
    1st gear - either the original ratio or the shorter 2.98:1 (which is more expensive as you need to replace the laygear)
    2nd gear 


    The rest should be fine unless there was catastrophic damage / abuse. The gearbox I opened and inspected recently had a hard life, massive wear on first and second gears/synchros but all the blocker bars and springs were still good. 

    Edit - Oh and the sandwich plate is a pig of a thing to get apart, that's the most difficult part of the whole disassembly. 




     
    Thank you, i have tried everywhere in Sydney. most dont know what a Type 9 is which is a worry.
    the latest one said " you get the parts and i'll have a look for you " prices the quoted me are miles apart too if they are willing to do it... 
     
    The gear is completly apart, its just parts that need to be put back together and change Syncros.
    I just need some help putting back together, if i cant then i will just sell it as is and look for other options maybe from Dellows.
     
    Cheers
     
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    Re: Recommendation 2024/06/14 13:20:31 (permalink)
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    sounds like a good plan.
    Worst case scenario you end up selling it on, and get an MX5 or RX8 box, which seems the other options now.
    Good luck.
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    Re: Recommendation 2024/06/14 15:55:55 (permalink)
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    It sounds to me like at some places you are getting the "Go Away" pricing.

    If it's apart take photos of all the gear sets and synchro rings - GOOD close up photos and post them here, I'll have a look and see what I can see, might be able to at least give you some more guidance on what to get. 

    They are honestly an easy gearbox, the hardest part is making sure you don't damage the laygear when taking off 5th gear and then getting the sandwich plate off. The rest is very DIY capable if you have access to a press and the tools.
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    Re: Recommendation 2024/06/14 16:05:47 (permalink)
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    It sounds to me like at some places you are getting the "Go Away" pricing.

    If it's apart take photos of all the gear sets and synchro rings - GOOD close up photos and post them here, I'll have a look and see what I can see, might be able to at least give you some more guidance on what to get. 

    They are honestly an easy gearbox, the hardest part is making sure you don't damage the laygear when taking off 5th gear and then getting the sandwich plate off. The rest is very DIY capable if you have access to a press and the tools.




     
    Totally agree with you, it was pretty obvious with one he didn't want it. i called the RS Shop and he mentioned they dont do refurbishment themselves anymore.  but he indicated its only 4-5 hour job and most shops would be able to do it as it its an easy gearbox to work on according to him, yet all the other shops are quoting hours and hours. im no expert but it seems that they are not interested.
     
    i will take some photos tonight and post here.
     
    cheers
     
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    Re: Recommendation 2024/06/14 19:12:26 (permalink)
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    It sounds to me like at some places you are getting the "Go Away" pricing.

    If it's apart take photos of all the gear sets and synchro rings - GOOD close up photos and post them here, I'll have a look and see what I can see, might be able to at least give you some more guidance on what to get. 

    They are honestly an easy gearbox, the hardest part is making sure you don't damage the laygear when taking off 5th gear and then getting the sandwich plate off. The rest is very DIY capable if you have access to a press and the tools.




     
    Totally agree with you, it was pretty obvious with one he didn't want it. i called the RS Shop and he mentioned they dont do refurbishment themselves anymore.  but he indicated its only 4-5 hour job and most shops would be able to do it as it its an easy gearbox to work on according to him, yet all the other shops are quoting hours and hours. im no expert but it seems that they are not interested.
     
    i will take some photos tonight and post here.
     
    cheers
     




    here are some pictures of the gearbox

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    Re: Recommendation 2024/06/14 19:13:33 (permalink)
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    Re: Recommendation 2024/06/14 20:54:35 (permalink)
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    Yeah get in there a bit closer for me, I mean like this.
     
     
     
    See how in those two photos the teeth on the gear are really worn and you can see the deformation on the brass teeth? That's what you should be looking for / post photos so I can see. 

    In the photos though reverse gear looks really rusty which is a bit of a concern. It also looks like your missing a synchro ring for 3rd /4th unless it's in that blue bucket there.
     

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    Re: Recommendation 2024/06/14 22:03:34 (permalink)
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    here they are, i was told the syncros need changing

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    Re: Recommendation 2024/06/15 09:25:28 (permalink)
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    Yeah 1st / 2nd have had it, you can see the deformation on the brass and the wear on the engagement teeth. I think you'll be set with the list I posted above.

    The only thing extra for piece of mind would be the 1st/2nd outer hub, if the gears are that worn chances this is too.
     
    https://www.bearingkits.co.uk/FORD-SIERRA-TYPE-9-GEARBOX-1ST/2ND-OUTER-HUB/141.htm#gsc.tab=0
     
    You could go the next step and replace 3rd/4th hub too, your call.
     
    https://www.bearingkits.co.uk/FORD-SIERRA-TYPE-9-GEARBOX-3rd-and-4th-GEAR-SYNCHRONISER-HUB/149.htm#gsc.tab=0
     
    And here is the link to the blocker bars for 1st/2nd - may as well replace them too - cheap insurance. 
     
    https://www.bearingkits.co.uk/TYPE-9-FORD-1ST/2ND-GEAR-SYNCHRO-HUB-SPRINGS-&-BLOCKER-BARS/512.htm#gsc.tab=0
     
    The bloke that runs bearing kits UK had a health scare so he has closed the website until July, you'll have to wait till then to order. I'm in the same boat waiting for my parts too.
     
    If you were closer to me I would be more than happy to work something out and build it for you, unfortunately I'm in Melbourne so unless you want to drive it/post it down you're out of luck.
    post edited by PartTimeMK2 - 2024/06/15 09:31:53
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    Re: Recommendation 2024/06/15 10:14:00 (permalink)
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    thank you, it’s been helpful

    appreciate the offer, i’ll check out my options and go from there
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    Re: Recommendation 2024/06/17 13:53:13 (permalink)
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    Try Paul Rodgers in North Nowra
    He is an Escort fan and a transmission guy.
    0407 010 321
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