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Re: Marks Midnight 2dr 79 Mk2 RS2000 resto
2025/09/05 22:20:13
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The crush tube is definitely gone then, its not in the old arms or with the old hardware either so I must have accidentally turfed em. If you've got the measurements of one it shouldn't be too hard to find a piece of tube to make them up. With the double-wide brackets it actually looks pretty straight forward to cut the mounting plate off then mod them to suit a standard sway bar. Got nothing to lose anyhow because I have the stock ones sitting right there. Time to do some geometry.. or well time for chatGPT to do some  . So - to change the standard castor positive by 2 degree, the mount needs to be picked off and welded 20mm forwards of the original sway bar mounting position. I have a science experiment to do tomorrow!
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Re: Marks Midnight 2dr 79 Mk2 RS2000 resto
2025/09/05 22:30:58
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.... But when you lower the car 2in, you'll lose 1deg of caster... Apparently due to the pivot angle from the swaybar mount hinge swing..?? I'll get the dims tomorrow morn on the crush tube
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Re: Marks Midnight 2dr 79 Mk2 RS2000 resto
2025/09/06 10:48:12
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Re: Marks Midnight 2dr 79 Mk2 RS2000 resto
2025/09/06 17:09:29
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Awesome thanks Marty, will hunt one down tomorrow. The science experiment was successful! Just headed out to dinner so will post up more photos later but here was the finished result.   Holy castor batman! When you push the arm up it does swing back a little and ends up looking pretty neutral to the strut top hole.
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Re: Marks Midnight 2dr 79 Mk2 RS2000 resto
2025/09/06 22:01:10
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So here was the mod and how I measured it out - big shout out to Marty for pushing me in this direction, it worked out a treat. Here is a close up of the mount before I touched it, as you can see the mount is too rearward and too outward from where a standard sway bar mounts - I'm sure they work well with the twin-cam sway bar but you're up the creek if you don't have one. So buyer beware, if you go down this path and buy online, not every listing states that these need that sway bar to work. Certainly not the listing I bought this kit from - I went back and double checked. Ok so first step was to was to cut the plate off, and trimmed a lot of the excess off that mount plate. Then I used the standard mount as a template to get the correct bolt position and from there measured 20mm forward and 5mm inward and drilled new clearance holes and welded them up. Then it was just a case of cleaning it all up and giving them a touch of paint and here is the final new positioning. I lined up as central a shot as I could on the upper strut mount and drew some lines  in my very scientific method with completely zero inaccuracy you can see the change off the center line to the front. That there is undeniably the most accurate wheel alignment you'll ever get this side of Perth  . Next job tomorrow is to make up some crush tubes and get them in.
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Re: Marks Midnight 2dr 79 Mk2 RS2000 resto
2025/09/07 12:10:55
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Re: Marks Midnight 2dr 79 Mk2 RS2000 resto
2025/09/08 13:04:47
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nice work boys! Selecting compatible parts is definately one part of the project I find a challenge. Add to the fact you may be buying overseas, and it can make for expensive mistakes pretty quickly. Now you've got me wondering if I've put all of the front end togetehr correctly.!
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Re: Marks Midnight 2dr 79 Mk2 RS2000 resto
2025/09/08 13:35:06
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deano Now you've got me wondering if I've put all of the front end togetehr correctly.!
Does your cars steering feel planted at speed or "twitchy"? If it's twitchy you could have a castor issue. Sorry just realized you haven't drove it yet! Would be hard to tell in the driveway
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Re: Marks Midnight 2dr 79 Mk2 RS2000 resto
2025/09/09 19:09:20
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Depends how long your driveway is I bought all the suspension components etc, for the track escort from MST. I had to figure out the positioning on the chassis rails for the compression strut mounts and the control arm ends were too short and I couldn't get camber adjustment where it needed to be. After a day of scratching my head cause I thought I had fu&$ed up, I called them and they said in their Welsh brogue 'oh yeah we do an inch longer version' They are absolutely ****e at giving out any technical info which is frustrating when you are dropping some serious coin to them. On the swaybar Mark. Generally they have a fair bit of thread on the ends which allow for some castor adjustment. I'm not sure how much in terms of degrees? what is the angle between your red and blue line?
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Re: Marks Midnight 2dr 79 Mk2 RS2000 resto
2025/09/10 17:37:20
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MarkA Depends how long your driveway is On the swaybar Mark. Generally they have a fair bit of thread on the ends which allow for some castor adjustment. I'm not sure how much in terms of degrees? what is the angle between your red and blue line?
No idea TBH  Eyeballing it maybe 3 degrees? It's a fair way forward from the standard factory position that's for sure. Didn't get around to the crush tubes on the weekend so had a crack today - some gal 19mm tube with 1.2mm wall thickness got me in the ball park of those measurements Marty. The sweet spot for shortening them a little and still maintaining good crush without the castle nut bottoming out seems to be 27mm long so 3.5mm shorter than stock. They fit well enough on the sway bar and through the bushes. Also got some new bushes in the mail, it seems only Superpro had the double width in the 22mm readily available here in Aus, they fit nicely enough and hopefully they don't fall to bits like what happened to Drew. Fulcrum had them for a semi reasonable price with no postage so that's a small win. Still need to grab some spring washers before putting all four bolts in and nipping them up. The castor this is producing seems excessive just looking at it  . Only time will tell when it gets to the alignments stage. Should have the shockers next week so I can at least put together the struts and see how it looks in the right position. Still waiting on the diff parts too - but basically all that's left to make her a roller is the diff, front shocks, hubs and wheel studs. Oh and my new body grommets arrived so I can finish up the butyl this weekend. That's a small job though so I might start putting the handbrake back in.
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Re: Marks Midnight 2dr 79 Mk2 RS2000 resto
2025/09/10 20:39:17
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I'm running 3 deg +castor and 3 deg -camber on the track car. As I have only driven it on and off the car trailer I have no idea how it will drive. This was just the initial setup recommended to me. I have been using a digital spirit level and protractor for a while now and it makes life so easy. You should be able to get that angle between your red and blue line to the nearest degree I would think? As I mentioned before, I had to get the longer control arm ends, I think the steering rod ends will make it ok
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Re: Marks Midnight 2dr 79 Mk2 RS2000 resto
2025/09/10 22:37:57
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Trying to remember what my mk2 was at, it's got all factory parts except the Selby swaybar that's 24mm thick. Factory as in Ford parts bin, Capri struts and springs, mk2 cortina roller tops but a sneakily fitted Hillman Hunter spring tops , they are up side down version of escort ones which allow to lower without cut springs.!
Taking it to a align shop Way back when, the guy said I've about 3 to 3.5 neg camber and the struts also about 3 on caster, he said at full lock it's at 8 deg!! BMW style Ackerman..
Crush tubes should do the trick, just add a smidge of grease on the swaybar so the tube doesn't seize up, I've cut so many off because of it..
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Re: Marks Midnight 2dr 79 Mk2 RS2000 resto
2025/09/11 17:59:51
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Apparently the stock wheel alignment is
Toe (total): 0 to +2 mm toe-in (≈ 0°00′ to +0°12′) Camber: 0° ± 30′ (can range slightly negative to slightly positive) Caster: +2.5° to +3.5°
So with my lower control arm inner bolt/bush position moved out 10mm and my sway bar moved forward 20mm with the vehicle lowered I think it will end up with roughly the below.
Camber: -2° ± 30' - due to lower control arm angle, bolt position and lowering Caster: +3.5° to +5.0° - due to change of sway bar mount and shorter crush tube - could be lower though due to lowering of vehicle changing sway bar angle.
That being said I will be able to measure up properly when the shocks arrive and the struts go in. Mark it would be great to see your front set up if you have photos of it.
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Re: Marks Midnight 2dr 79 Mk2 RS2000 resto
2025/09/11 19:38:13
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Yep Mark, those std measurements look vaguely familiar. I suppose the reason stock camber is close to 0 is your average Joe would not appreciate forking out for new rubber every other month. An old timer acquaintance who has been building rally cars all his life, suggested what is shown in the first two pics. I filed those photos under the heading 'Flinstones Pics' I could walk under the car and adjust. I suppose its really just a home version of what the alignment guys do.  To note; the sway bar that MST provided did not provide the articulation required and I bent the heim joints that connect it to the lower control arms. So I got Selby (local to me  ) to make me a bar after I made a template one from some rod. Like anything, start modifying and it just transfers right the way through
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Re: Marks Midnight 2dr 79 Mk2 RS2000 resto
2025/09/11 20:33:34
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I love the look of those torsion struts, apparently they're perfect for escort track cars, and those brakes too! I like the board idea, lets you settle the car to ride height and really dial everything in - might be a bit sketchy with a fully loaded car though!
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