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Re: Another Escort Van Project: 77 Mk2 2021/10/06 13:25:39 (permalink)
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I think you are right Mark about any flex possibly cracking the filler line. I was hoping 2 rows of spot tacks spaced apart (plus some edge seam tacks) would help.
One thing I did find though, when the Express bubble panel was stamped, the arch shape still remains more as a flange:you need to trim it back and dress it into the conventional arch shape with a lip.
I'd marked it all out on the car ready to cut, then decided to do the dressing, but in turning the edge in, it also pulled both sides of the wheel lip in closer, ending up with a 'tighter' wheel radius.
Luckily it wasnt all cut before this stage.
 
Good question on the seam sealer:I have some bought from the local paint supplier when I grabbed filler and etch prime, some german brand and about $30+ from memory.
 
Great link Marty about using Sika, many thanks.
I reckon the Darwin Ebay guy is going to find his sales suddenly spike up, and not know why. :) 
With all my patches, I' think I'll need abox of the stuff.
I saw somewhere the go is to mask up each side of the seam, spread it out then pull the tape off leaves it neat?
 
Also what color is that Blue you did the van in Marty?
 
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Re: Another Escort Van Project: 77 Mk2 2021/10/06 15:38:26 (permalink)
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For some reason the black sika seems to go everywhere but the white one is ok, less mess !
You could've joggled the part where you're welding to the car to give a flush seam joint, but...I have a air joggler and things start to move out of shape... Not recommended in a swervy panel

The van is painted in Ford Performance Blue, as the Focus st/xr5 and RS, fiesta ST etc. One of Fords colors only to go on sports models
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Re: Another Escort Van Project: 77 Mk2 2021/10/06 20:26:57 (permalink)
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I just order 3 tubes from our Darwin mate, hopefully that gets me at least 1/2 way.
They have some good gear actually, including tapes. I was thinking of maybe flush mounting the rear perspex door windows with VHB tape and Silka.
 
Marty I tried my handheld joggler a few times, but it only makes a short flange, 10mm maybe? so its not as universal as I hoped.
It looks like there is a new Ford Performance Blue out in the Mustangs. I like blue, but have the Capri and my wifes car coming in blue, I think I need another color to wash.
 
Any thoughts on how useful these might be for spotwelding? I didnt know they existed with copper face just for this exact thing.My current wide clamps are just a bit too short to reach enough over the bubbles.
https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/252106078180?chn=ps&norover=1&mkevt=1&mkrid=705-139619-5960-0&mkcid=2&itemid=252106078180&targetid=1280421173959&device=c&mktype=pla&googleloc=9071205&poi=&campaignid=10101784952&mkgroupid=124139257673&rlsatarget=pla-1280421173959&abcId=9300367&merchantid=115585497&gclid=CjwKCAjwkvWKBhB4EiwA-GHjFlY5wBqDuWjVELwl7t2hoeWepwbI_xbhaYORQmHmtPxHz60pieGP_RoCYcYQAvD_BwE 

what would be good is a wide, long arm version, with the copper heat sink, and spaced top jaw bit so you can weld in between the jaws.

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Re: Another Escort Van Project: 77 Mk2 2021/10/07 08:51:18 (permalink)
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Deano, They are are a great idea but just given me the thought of making a magnetic copper faced backing plate which can be placed anywhere. I find with all these 'plier' type devices there is always a spot (or ten) that you can't fit them on cause of curves, not large enough gape etc...
 
Let me know how you get on with the perspex windows. I have a full set for the Escort (though it will be while till I'm ready for that stage of the build) so interested in alternative ways to fit them.
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Re: Another Escort Van Project: 77 Mk2 2021/10/07 11:01:56 (permalink)
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Deano, what fuel tank are you using in the van, keeping it stock or going custom ?
As for my blue van, I sold the tank during the resto cause I had the plan to run it on LPG only, but ... Finding a gas tank that'll fit in the space under the tray behind the axle got frusto so gave up that plan, now(9yrs on) I'm thinking about using one of those alloy $140 race type tanks with sender and EFI pump all in one , just need to know the dimensions it'll fit in , I can make bkts to suit etc , just don't want to chop the car in any way ..
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Re: Another Escort Van Project: 77 Mk2 2021/10/07 12:30:31 (permalink)
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Marty you make me sound Like I plan ahead!
I've got a std underfloor tank that came with the van which looks pretty ok, having been powdercoated.
As to the sender,etc etc, who knows.
I'm not precious on this van about being original, for $140 with new pump and sender that would be fine by me, so long as it's not an issue come rego time.
 
I do have an idea in my mind though of rolling a new rear valance, and having a single centre oval shaped exhaust tip, Boxster style. I havent got to figuring how a pinto exhaust needs routing and if there are any issues with diff/underfloor tank etc.
Can you post link if you buy, happy to tag along.
If you need measurements of current tank, I can take happy snaps and measure tonight.

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Re: Another Escort Van Project: 77 Mk2 2021/10/07 13:13:49 (permalink)
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That'll be cool, depending if yours is the late mk2 tank or early pre 77 square barrel type, I'm more for the barrel type as it bolts to the ribs not by straps..

The rear valance is two panels, inner n outer, if you have the drop tank there's no way to have a centre zorst outlet as it'll be hitting the tank.. a sedan zorst will fit the std van but the rear hangers differ slightly and it'll not reach to the back, needs about 200mm extra at the back . I installed a hotdog muffler on my yellow van to make up the length and keep it quiet
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Re: Another Escort Van Project: 77 Mk2 2021/10/07 20:53:02 (permalink)
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theoretically is a 1977 shell, but who knows now what the mix is.
I read somewhere that the early ones have fixed/welded door hinges, great thanks, not adjustable without a sledgie then.
Anyhow, this is the tank I have, hope the pics help.
 

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Re: Another Escort Van Project: 77 Mk2 2021/10/07 21:07:20 (permalink)
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also, do I use these front struts which came on the car and  possibly are reco'd or swap over the 2lt ones?
I dont think its worth putting adjustable ones on a road car, provided the overall height is sorted ok first.
 
 

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Re: Another Escort Van Project: 77 Mk2 2021/10/07 21:18:02 (permalink)
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That's the tank shape I sold, wish I didn't now knowing how rare stuff like this gets.
Thanks for posting the sizes it'll give me something to go from .

Err yeah there was a transition around late(?) 77 , when the 1300 was ditched in favour of the 2.0 pinto and 1600 , also the interior got minor changes , steering wheel and dash dials etc, and the most noticable change was to smaller strut tops and drop tank
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Re: Another Escort Van Project: 77 Mk2 2021/10/07 21:28:44 (permalink)
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Struts look 2.0 veriety , if you want to cheap it by lowering, you can carefully grind the welds( with inserts out obviously) that holds the lower spring platform and then slide it down about 1in, be careful tho as the tyre height regulates how low you can move it down . True about not going coilovers for a roader , just set it where you like. I can't remember if I did this to my yellow van but did do this to the blue mk1 van
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Re: Another Escort Van Project: 77 Mk2 2021/10/08 12:11:01 (permalink)
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If you measure the strut tube about 51mm should be 2l and i think 46 is 1600 etc. Easy way to find out.

tbh i think coilovers on the front is a good idea, if you can engineer it where you are. Means you can get the ride height you want and lots of options for springs available. Also get rid of those oem top mounts for some roller bearing ones like these https://www.grp4fabrications.com/rubber-roller-type-top-mount

made the car much easier to drive
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Re: Another Escort Van Project: 77 Mk2 2021/10/08 17:00:14 (permalink)
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Hey Robbie those top mounts are proper tuff, I've a set in my blue van and orange mk2, mine are the original cortina mk2 towers I scammed from a wreckers when wreckers were worth going to, I scabbed 4x sets back then! I know their tuff cause I used to fly my Escort a lot and landing from 3 to 4ft at high speeds nothing broke except very very light reshape if the door gaps lol .
Deano gas large towers do they're going to fit just nice. Handy hint for dust covers is use mits magna /sigma dust covers, they fit exactly ... Should put this in the trivia blog lol
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Re: Another Escort Van Project: 77 Mk2 2021/10/08 21:03:37 (permalink)
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woo- hoo about the struts then. I'll  stretch the tape and see if I can get it to be 50mm rather than 46mm :)
I took the day off work today and got  some good progress finally.
The welder is dialled in, I can get 20 good spots/thousand now.
Actually, I read a handy Lincoln guide to using the flux core. Apparently after each weld, the core wire 'seals' over due to the slag, and your meant to trim the tip back each time so its right to go. I found this did make a difference, helping the arc to fire up each spotweld.Without trimming, youd often get it were the wire doesnt strike and pushes the gun away from the job.
I'm sure you are all sick of arch photos, but tahts about all ive got. Inner wheels arches are cut out and 1/2 shaped also, queue the obligatory CAD joke. Nearly ready for a skim of filler, depends on what the boss wants to do over the weekend.
 
 
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