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2020/12/28 12:49:36 (permalink)
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Spigot/pilot bearing removal

Ok we all know the trick with Escort type spigot bearing removal, whether it be just demolish it and pull the remains out or go the pack it with grease and ram a metal bar thru to push the grease and bearing out (hydraulic method) ,bread, soap, playdough etc can do the same job.
But when your pilot bearing came apart or exploded at some point 200,000-300,000kms ago and is of the wheel bearing type, rx7, falcon, commodore and most modern stuff on the road, mine came out in bits leaving the outer hardened casing seized in the crankshaft without much rear lip to get any purchase on so those mini pullers won't work (they hardly work as intended) .
I needed to swap the gearbox in my Courier 4x4 as it wasn't changing gears nicely and wouldn't let me gear down unless I match the revs so I found another box and got ready to swap them over, the seller threw in the clutch as well which was nice. Once the gearbox was removed using a motorbike hoist to help lower it down, they heavy boxes complete with transfer case etc I checked the boxes and only need to swap the speedo from elec to cable which was simply remove the connector. I got on to removing the clutch, as the truck has done over 330,000km I thought best to do the clutch as well , on removing it, heaps of bearings fell out and a casing and inner bearing case, not good news lol. Anyway I went searching answers on how to remove the outer casing, answers with using a Smoke wrench, to weld a dob and the heat will shrink upon cooling letting it free up...I went the diegrinder method, a bit agricultural but done the trick in less than 5mins, just grind into the casing until it looks nearly thru and chip it with a chisel or screwdriver, mine jumped out without a fight.




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    Re: Spigot/pilot bearing removal 2020/12/28 14:07:23 (permalink)
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    lol ! ........   chuck the old clutch back in; she's not down to the rivets yet !
     
    Dont tell me she's done 330K just on that one Clutch ??????  Rare, but did the same on my old HJ60

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    Re: Spigot/pilot bearing removal 2020/12/28 15:37:16 (permalink)
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    Haha, it's prolly been done a few times in it's life, some belhousing bolts are missing and have noticed a seal stamp on the head and block core plugs so it's had a rebuild at least once. This ute will get the Duratec treatment but I need it mobile for getting stuff etc for the conversion ...
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    Re: Spigot/pilot bearing removal 2020/12/28 22:58:35 (permalink)
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    Those rubbish "caged needle rollers" that we never had to put up with in the "halcien days" are getting into everything...........bad enough seeing them fail in modern low powered oldies, but theyre in all the new 6/s and V8's right up to Ford FG and Holden VF.
    We never renew with this rubbish, but replace with SOLID BRASS/SINTERED BRONZE after soaking for a day or 2 in EP/80-90 .........  no more issues, ever

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    Re: Spigot/pilot bearing removal 2020/12/29 18:48:51 (permalink)
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    Brass/bronze is the way to go with replacing the needle roller type I agree there. The ute has a sealed roller bearing which is commonly used on electric motors etc , at a price of $7.50 it was cheap enough so I bought some needed spanners as well.


    Here's a funny bit, I was looking around for a clutch aligning item like a piece of bar or broom handle to line up the plate before I tighten the cover. On the off chance I got an Escort spline tool out thinking it won't fit for some reason but it did fit exact, so now there's 4 models that are the same , Escort (Cortina, Capri etc), Focus 2.0 Zetec , Mazda RX8, Courier/bravo 2.6 .. there's prolly more out there but these are what I have in the shed or parts of..


    The spigot hole is also the same..

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    Re: Spigot/pilot bearing removal 2020/12/29 21:44:57 (permalink)
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    Over the decades while whinging about how many parts change every year from model to model for no good reason other than create ever increasing millions of part numbers, to annoy the be-jesus out of any mechanic wanting to have a small inventory of common parts, I was amazed to discover how many cars have the same spigot bush internal dia !
    Holden FX thru to at least VE 6 & V8 have the same dimensions for ID, OD & W for Spigot Bush !
    .....  inc Torana with at least 4 cyl Starfire 1X thru to all V8's ! (ifImnotverymuchmistaken)!
    Can't recall Fords because theyre so good. only no-hopers bugger their clutches !  .......  lol !  
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    Re: Spigot/pilot bearing removal 2020/12/30 22:23:27 (permalink)
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    Finally got the gearbox back in today, not saying it was a walk in the park job but even with my bro helping it was a job I dreaded doing, all add ons were bolted up.. Don't get me started on the starter motor, it was refusing to play, very little room to hold it up and thread a bolt to catch threads.
    Started it up and no noises or rev drop when pushing the clutch pedal , every gear works even the 4x4 light on the dash came on when engaged ! Glad it's finally done.... For now..

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    Re: Spigot/pilot bearing removal 2020/12/31 23:59:06 (permalink)
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    Your Starter story brings to mind a story I was told as a young 1980's mechanic re R&R Starter  in a 
    Peugeot 505 that made even Peugeot Dealer Mechanic cry !  In one ear and out the other till I got a request to do this job 15 years later.
    When I couldnt even SEE the starter under the bonnet, something made me twitch nervously.
    Thinking all will be revealed with 505 in air on hoist, I was sadly mistaken !  Still couldnt see this mongrel Starter !  I could feel it and the bolts holding it in just with finger tips. I rang client to advise a BRAND NEW GENUINE PEUGEOT Starter was going in if I was to do the job, hoping the outrageous price would make him take it elsewhere.
    He commented he had already asked 2 Auto/Elecs, 1 Pug specialist and a Pug Dealer; they all had excuses why they couldnt do the job ! I was his last hope apparently ! 
    6 hours to get it out and 6 hours to get it in !  Ive done hundreds of different cars' Starters, and the P505 would have to be 100% more unbelievably @#$%^&*()  than the next worse; a Renault 16 ! The R16 was a "piece of cake" compared to the P505 
    I cant comment here what new words and phrases I invented during and after that job; Admin would not print it! 
    Sorry to everyone for the  Frenchy-frog disaster stories in a Ford Forum !

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    Re: Spigot/pilot bearing removal 2021/01/04 14:00:24 (permalink)
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    When I was in my late teens back in the 80z my neighbour who moved in nextdoor with his misses, being a new estate release everyone became friends (still to this day , even when we've moved ) , he was a club rally driver and bought a Renault 12 Gordini with a 16TS motor , all I remember is the motor was rebuilt to rally spec and I repainted the car in factory blue/white with a brush! Never heard him go on about the starter being a prik , maybe it was easier with the 12 box !!
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    Re: Spigot/pilot bearing removal 2021/01/04 16:57:38 (permalink)
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    It wouldnt have had the original R16 EX Manifold which was half the problem; it had to be removed AND plus the RH Eng mount undone to "cock" the engine over and get clearance !
    Piece of cake compared to the 505 "nightmare" !

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