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2018/01/26 16:35:57 (permalink)
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People abusing Historic & Trade Plates

OK time to let off a little steam, how come some of the sh** boxes getting around on Club Plates get away with it.
 
I am sure some people join a club just to get their piece of sh** on a club plate.
 
Don't get me started on trade plates, I understand the majority of people do the right thing but how do people get away with driving unroadworthy cars on trade plates or a permit!
 
I have seen a certain Capri from this forum on trade plates and I am sure the owner knows better and I would say that his car wouldn't pass a genuine roadworthy by a qualified inspector.
 
Anyway thats my rant and I feel better for it and hope that I don't offend 90% of the people doing the right thing.
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    cosworthfreak
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    Re: People abusing Historic & Trade Plates 2018/01/26 17:03:46 (permalink)
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    I see a bit of the same, but nothing that looks unroadworthy. Had a senior manager at work keep driving his alfa spider to work on club plates. One of my mates left a stern letter for him, but he didn’t change his ways. In the ACT we still have the older system, not the newer 90 day unlimited system.

    I thought club registered cars still had to be roadworthy?
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    Re: People abusing Historic & Trade Plates 2018/01/26 20:14:02 (permalink)
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    It's amazing how BRAVE some cowards can be HIDING BEHIND TOTAL ANONINIMITY.
    Who the bl++dy hell do you reckon you are ? Are you the Grand PooBah of RW Inspectors ????????
     
    ....."sour grapes" & JEALOUSY must be so entrenched in some loungeroom critics, who often turn out to be guilty of much worse, maybe without knowing it, in their ignorance..............."those in glass houses fool......."
     
    As a Licensed RW Inspector for 30 years, as well as before and after, without my RW License, i would have driven hundreds of thousands of kms in Client's unroadworthy cars that most NOVICES LIKE YOU, would consider very dangerous, as I drove them back to the Workshop for RW repairs VERY CAUTIOUSLY, and without ever having the smallest of mishaps in 47 years............we use our own car trailer if it was too bad.
    ............no not luck.........common sense, which these smarta++ hypocrites obviously are sadly lacking.
     
    My 46 year old Capri is Roadworthy to Vic standards in all FACETS OF THE RWC requirement bar a 10c rust hole in one A pillar and small areas surface rust in a few of the usual places, in LESS than 1% of total surface area.
     
    Are these gutless wonders, who probably dont know they're driving PIECES OF s+++,  QUALIFIED EXAMINERS to say
    ALL T H E I R  cars, regardless of age past 10, meet RWC standards???........I very much doubt it.
    It's these nuff-nuffs that pay $20000 to $30000 on a paint job on ANY old or new POS, just to show off in front of everybody, and then finish up on a slab in the mortuary because of extensive rust in body/chassis, and poor lights, brakes, steering, tyres and suspension......... and take out innocent road users at the same time.
     
    Wake up princess ! .............there would hardly be ONE CAR PER HUNDRED over 10 years old in all of Australia, that would pass with flying colours, inc NSW that have that farce of yearly RWC.
     
    In the last 45 years Ive owned all 20 of my Collectable cars, at least once in most of them , Ive been pulled over by Random RWC Inspection, INC this Capri, with NO ISSUE or warning.  These Police are Qualified RWC Inspectors.
     
    I am still a VACC registered SMM and I know a little about RWC since I have been a VicRoads Licenced Tester for over 30 years in my old Workshop, which I am not there any longer as we have younger members in the Family to take up the Practise in our new workshop, since the License costs run into MANY $$thousands$$ these days with all the study, and Exams and Specialized equipment.
     
    So stick that in your fuel tank and go twice as fast ! 
     
    Must lead a sad boring life to go off in a hail of BS without knowing what theyre talking about.
    post edited by BEEVEE - 2018/01/26 20:42:43

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    Re: People abusing Historic & Trade Plates 2018/01/27 09:06:53 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby ron 2018/01/27 09:10:00
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    So its not roadworthy then
     
    as per your post.
    "My 46 year old Capri is Roadworthy to Vic standards in all FACETS OF THE RWC requirement bar a 10c rust hole in one A pillar and small areas surface rust in a few of the usual places"
     
    Wonder what your insurance company would say about that, or let me guess you don't have insurance!
     
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    Re: People abusing Historic & Trade Plates 2018/01/27 09:27:20 (permalink)
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    ................Just like none of your cars are Roadworthy either........at least I'm honest and a realist, unlike
    you
     
    Just to shove it where the sun dont shine, my beautiful Capri is COMPREHENSIVELY INSURED for $50.000
     
    ....and s if it's any of your business, you no longer have to "Wonder", and no more "guessing if I'm insured"
     
     
    russ_w
    So its not roadworthy then
     
    as per your post.
    "My 46 year old Capri is Roadworthy to Vic standards in all FACETS OF THE RWC requirement bar a 10c rust hole in one A pillar and small areas surface rust in a few of the usual places"
     
    Wonder what your insurance company would say about that, or let me guess you don't have insurance!
     





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    Re: People abusing Historic & Trade Plates 2018/01/27 09:58:03 (permalink)
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    Hi cosworth freak.
     
    Not sure of other states, but in Victoria, you can drive on "Red Club Plates" 24/7 exactly like any other car, with
    the proviso you fill in log book every day you drive it and do not exceed the 45 or 90 days you registered for.
    So if your works manager with his Alfa was in Victoria, he was entirely within his rights.
     
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    Re: People abusing Historic & Trade Plates 2018/01/27 12:58:27 (permalink)
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    so BV and Russ, I'm just trying to get a handle on your posts and put it in context.
     
    I take it  you've got either got some history together, or just not besties?
    Such passion!
     
    Regarding Historic plates, yep I've seen a few absolute bombs, and others that are nothing collectable or historic, just old and it seems clear the owner isn't following the intention of the historic plate system.
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    Re: People abusing Historic & Trade Plates 2018/01/27 12:59:09 (permalink)
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     "COMPREHENSIVELY INSURED for $50.000"
     
    Funny how a typo can make so much sense.
     

      
     
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    Re: People abusing Historic & Trade Plates 2018/01/27 14:52:44 (permalink)
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    Hi deano,
     
    this "russ yoyo" who's been a member for a whole 7 weeks appears to have a few screws loose, or the inability
    to be civil and respectful of those around him.  He probably doesn't even own a Capri or any collectable ?
    I've never heard of him, so no history ........ must be desperate for attention, to account for his inanity ?
    I'll not recognize him any further since he was craven enough to ignore my comments in my first email.
     
    Yes deano, a clear example of your email is a club down my way has not 1, but THREE Holden Barinas on red plates!
     
    Maybe, if I was terribly drunk and stoned, I'd lean a little his way if they were immaculate showroom Barinas, but they are the opposite to immaculate, and get used as a "daily". Even when originally new, I could not find one redeeming feature in their appearance or style......yuk!

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    Re: People abusing Historic & Trade Plates 2018/01/27 15:33:44 (permalink)
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    Historic vehicle registration schemes are not consistent across the states.
     
    If anyone notices usage that does appear to fit their understanding of their states scheme, they should contact the appropriate managing body for their state.
    Here in the ACT, it is the Council of ACT Motor Clubs (CRS Registrar : Dave Rogers).
     
    Any and all currently registered vehicles must be in a roadworthy condition - nothing to do with historic rego conditions.
     
    I too have seen usage/modifications that do not seem to meet the intent of the scheme.
    >>>> Questions ARE asked of the owner to Pls Explain .
    >>>> Historic rego DOES get cancelled in some instances.
     
    Its pretty hot in here, time for a cool drink.

    accapmad - In the Land of Oz
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    Re: People abusing Historic & Trade Plates 2018/01/27 15:45:17 (permalink)
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    I’d like to put my Capri on club rego here in NSW. I don’t know how Capri club rego here works. All I know is to join I need to send a Cheque( don’t have a Cheque book) and fax my info through ( don’t have s fax). So it seems a bit hard and outdated our Capri club of NSW. Do you require a road worthy certificate for club rego? I would hope so and all my cars would pass or firstly I wouldn’t drive them and secondly no insurance would be paid if after an accident,even a not at fault accident it was proved the car was faulty.
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    Re: People abusing Historic & Trade Plates 2018/01/27 16:49:12 (permalink)
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    Fact is, ANY vehicle, regardless of age, or REGISTRATION status, can be SUSPENDED or CANCELLED
    Wiggy, go online to the website for NSW MOTOR REGISTRATION , and if it's anything like ours in VIC, there'll be links taking you to info to get HISTORIC Club Plate "permits"........you need to join an approved CLUB first and foremost.
    .Vicroads advised me that this is not a " registration" but a  "PERMIT" as long as it is connected to a fully paid Club Membership..........semantics no doubt to cover up who knows what
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    Re: People abusing Historic & Trade Plates 2018/01/27 21:26:15 (permalink)
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    Wiggy333Do you require a road worthy certificate for club rego?



    No in NSW if the club is prepared to make a declaration that the car is roadworthy.
    A lot of clubs don't want that responsibility, so require their members to get a roadworthy from an authorised mechanic. 
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    Re: People abusing Historic & Trade Plates 2018/01/27 22:23:30 (permalink)
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    OK I don't know who Russ_W is, but, My 2cents, you obvioulsy intend to keep the car.  You are a member of at least one car club, you are able to issue a RWC and have your car registered under the Club Permit Scheme.  I cannot see why it appears regularly on weekend shows with Trade Plates after like 5 years of ownership.  
     
    Now regarding the classic/historic cars there are quite a few people using the scheme as part time rego, for say the wife that works 2 or 3 days a week, just get her a VP or EB Falcon, 92 Skyline etc and away you go $120 a year instead of $740, even factoring in your $40-$50 a year club reg you are way in front.  Of course this is not what the scheme is designed for, but every good initiative is always abused.  At least Vicorads are getting rid of the ridiculous Scrutineering method and going with a RWC at first registration.

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    Re: People abusing Historic & Trade Plates 2018/01/27 22:24:00 (permalink)
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    YES to roadworthy inspection IN VICTORIA...............must go thru same test as if it's a regular car with regular regio, plus be a paid up member of a club endorsed by the State authorities, but NSW has YEARLY RW inspections for ALL cars and trucks, buses and taxis, last time I checked , which is a few years ago. Please update me either way you guys in NSW.......cheers
     
    WE used to be like NSW, but it was stopped due to corrupt Certificates.
    As perpetraitors are found out by honest RWC Inspectors, they loose their license for life, plus face
    a High Court Judge if there were injuries or death caused by their criminal "turn-a-blind-eye" practises

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