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2017/12/16 16:03:25 (permalink)
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Bonnet Pins

My Hot Orange that was on ebay a while ago didn't sell, I cancelled the sale, long story but the short version is that the bidder wanted to part pay using paypal and a quick search online made me think that would be a big risk to me.  During the process it was pointed out to me that the bonnet pins were in the 1969 position, something that I had missed.  It turns out that the car was ordered with pins deleted so someone has fitted them and drilled the holes based on the easiest location to avoid bonnet structure. 
 
It seems that I also misjudged the market so I will fix the paint issues by bare metal respraying so I have to decide to either put it back to original as ordered by removing the pins, or put them in the correct position for 1970.  So a few questions,
 
1.  How common was it for the bonnets without pins to fly up and smash on the roof, I have seen it happen to 1 car?
2.  Would playing it safe and putting pins in the correct position significantly reduce its restored value?
3.  Would someone be able to provide measurements to correct position and a pic of how the bonnet structure is drilled?
 
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    900dukess
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    Re: Bonnet Pins 2017/12/16 16:34:51 (permalink)
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    Hi GTV6,
     
    I am a little surprised your capri didn't sell, I thought it was reasonable priced and you had a excellent ad description etc (maybe a little to honest). Maybe your location didn't help.
    Have you thought about re-advertising on another website apart from Ebay (Ford Muscle car sales, Australian Muscle Car Sales etc).
     
    Anyway back to the bonnet pin question.
    This is my opinion and it is probably wrong, but I don't think there is a "correct position" for early Capri bonnet pins.
    Early Capri's I consider 1969 to mid/late 1970, with low bucket front seats with the XW Falcon GT bonnet pins.
    Later Capris as you know used the XY Falcon screw type (actually Mustang) bonnet locks
    I believe that the bonnet pins on the early cars (XW Falcon type) where actually dealer fitted and their location varies from dealer to dealer.  
    I have seen both types of pins used on 1970 cars and it is not listed as a option when you contact Ford (For example radio's, passenger mirrors, rostyle wheels etc).
     
    Now this is only my opinion, and I am sure somebody will jump in and say but hey the bonnet pins are shown in the Ford parts books, but I think these are only for the brackets utilised for the later XY Falcon bonnet locks and not the early XW Falcon bonnet pins.
    So your current position could be correct, or they could have been fitted later on in the cars life or maybe that was the position "Jonny" the apprentice at the dealership fitted them as part of the cars pre-delivery.
     
    But hey I am probably wrong.
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     

     


     
     
     

     
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    Re: Bonnet Pins 2017/12/16 17:35:27 (permalink)
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    it was worth that money regardless of the position of the pins
    maybe not the best time to advertise? (right on xmas)
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    Re: Bonnet Pins 2017/12/16 18:45:54 (permalink)
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    Hi Steve,
    I am the guy who bought your Hot Orange capri from Ebay , lets be honest here it had nothing to do with paypal ,
    everybody knows Ebay highly recommends paypal as the safest method for transactions, both buyer and seller are covered,and  because of the distance between us it was the safest method until a few facts were ironed out, you specified a matching numbers car in your ad title, yet you "refused" to reveal the engine number stamped on the strut tower, we also as you will recall asked you if it matched with the engine number on the block you would  have the balance in your account straight away.
    You were the one to cancel the sale due to inconclusive identification so we were told and you followed your solicitors advise and cancelled the sale.
    This was our last conversation, and i wont go into anymore intricate details of our conversations regarding the car as the forum is not the right place
     
    Thanks
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    Re: Bonnet Pins 2017/12/16 19:36:58 (permalink)
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    1.  How common was it for the bonnets without pins to fly up and smash on the roof, I have seen it happen to 1 car?

    I've never seen it happen, but have seen 3-4 where it has (I have one here)
     
    GTV6
    2.  Would playing it safe and putting pins in the correct position significantly reduce its restored value?

    No, but even if you left the pins where they are now it probably wouldn't matter much.
     
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    3.  Would someone be able to provide measurements to correct position and a pic of how the bonnet structure is drilled?

    I only have 1 photo showing one of the measurements, but others may have more.
     

     
    Thanks again for sending me the pictures of the rust repairs, and apologies for not getting back to you. I was quite interested, but I'm a bit fussy so the way the previous owner did the repairs didn't sit well with me. I'm sure they are structurally sound though. Don't be discouraged, and keep being honest in your listings - it can be a rare trait.
     
    Cheers
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    Re: Bonnet Pins 2017/12/16 20:24:48 (permalink)
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    Would agree with other comments above.

    Mine are slightly different one side to the other on the Silver car.

    Have taken a few just to help out, but there are other Capri' s here much better than mine, and those with a heap more knowledge.

    Hope they are of some assistance.

    Darian.

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    Re: Bonnet Pins 2017/12/16 21:43:12 (permalink)
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    Thanks guys, its my understanding from the parts book that GT's had pins as standard 69/70 and twist type standard 71/on but there was a delete option, which this car had.  So they weren't an option to include, they were an option to delete and were year specific.  From photos and parts book they seemed to move further outwards in 1970.
     
    Darian is there any chance you could upload a pic taken from the underside of the bonnet so I can see where they drilled through the bonnet frame?
     
    Jamie I agree, some of his work was ok, and is strong and will last, but it wasn't as neat as it could have been.  I will probably cut the worst of it out.  When I get around to it I will start a project thread.
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    Re: Bonnet Pins 2017/12/17 12:38:50 (permalink)
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    Pics from underside of Bonnet, and Pins.

    Hope they are what you're after.

    Cheers,

    DJC.
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    Re: Bonnet Pins 2017/12/17 12:57:59 (permalink)
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    i wouldnt  bother about the bonnet pins as i have seen them over the years in many different positions ... 
     
    have you thought about placing your car as is on the shannons auction  .. you probably get your asking price considering what the other 4cyl one got last yr ..
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    Re: Bonnet Pins 2017/12/17 20:02:18 (permalink)
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    I can supply a set of the 72 brackets for $250 like new, and powder coated

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    Re: Bonnet Pins 2017/12/17 23:01:40 (permalink)
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    Here's the Ford original photo's from their 2 page flyers for the 1600GT and the GT/V6 showing the bonnet pins and locations. The 1600GT was only assembled in 1969, with the last 3 cars in January, 1970 and the GT/V6 flyer is dated 2/70, meaning February, 1970. Hope this helps, Terry

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    Re: Bonnet Pins 2017/12/18 12:22:48 (permalink)
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    Thanks Darian, that's exactly the pics I was after.  I wanted to see if they drilled the frame or had a different frame.
     
    It can be seen in Terry's photos and the ones from the manual that the pins were closer to the centre in 69.  What I think happened is that they were initially drilled to avoid the bonnet frame, but when viewed from the top side they looked out of place so in 70 they moved them outwards and drilled through the frame.
     
    On the bonnet flip that I saw, as well as wrecking the bonnet, the roof was all caved in, so now that more have been confirmed I am leaning towards keeping the pins and moving them in, or at least some sort of hidden safety strap.  Thanks for the offer JR but I will stick with correct year pins.
     
    My listing had over 2500 views, 197 watchers and just 1 bid.  That tells me that the market for this condition/price point is way too small so I wont bother listing again until I have re sprayed it and corrected the interior.  Who knows I might be able to have a crack at that record price once it's done 
     
    Thanks for all your input.

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    Re: Bonnet Pins 2017/12/19 07:15:50 (permalink)
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    I personally reckon it was just the wrong time of year just to close to Xmas.
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    Re: Bonnet Pins 2017/12/19 12:39:09 (permalink)
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    Just got my copy of the Ford verification letter, option 47 delete hood lock pins.  Never knew that was an option - always learning something new about these cars.  Also I notice the mirror is RH only option so someone along the way has added the left mirror.  I guess removing that for 'originality' would be a dumb thing to do, so another tick for not worrying about 100% originality and keeping the bonnet pins.  Maybe I will even add dummy vents and over riders. 

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    Re: Bonnet Pins 2017/12/21 21:17:51 (permalink)
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    I felt much more comfortable with the GT bonnet fitted, with now having the bonnet pins. Previously it used to wallow around at speed, despite having the stops adjusted. Plus the slam panel would always deform where the catch stikes when released. 46 years of opening the bonnet must have made it weaker.
    Better to be slightly non original than splattered alongside the road IMHO.
    On that, the other thread recently about interior mirrors? I learnt a few years ago that rear view mirrors where stuck t the inside of the windscreen instead of mounted permanently on the roof beam so that in an accident, when the glass breaks, the mirror stalk goes with it. Check our MK1 Capri ones, nice scalp gouger.
    (merry christmas too guys!)
     

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