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2017/10/20 18:29:00 (permalink)
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Were extractors standard on V6?

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I just took my car for relicensing and they said I need a permit for the extractors, but I thought they were fitted from factory on the v6.  Does anyone know if they were standard or not, and if standard, any documentation I can show them.
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    accapmad
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    Re: Were extractors standard on V6? 2017/10/20 20:43:52 (permalink)
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    Yes, Factory standard.
    2 pms sent with images from Ford Oz Workshop Manual

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    Re: Were extractors standard on V6? 2017/10/20 20:56:31 (permalink)
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    I was just going to suggest the workshop manual. If you know someone who has one, borrow it for your next visit. I think you can still buy one from your Ford dealer, but they are reprints and poor quality (think old photocopier).

    They weren’t called extractors, simply exhaust manifolds. One of the scans that accapmad has sent may have the factory description from the manual.

    ”A free-flow two-branch exhaust manifold fabricated from welded steel tubes is used for each bank of cylinders, and is secured to the cylinder head by bolts through steel flanges welded to the pipe ends on the outside of the V. Each manifold has seperate pipes of equal length for each cylinder, and these are joined together at a junction box to form a common outlet. A cast flange, for connection to the exhaust system, is held captive by the flared end of the common outlet.”
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    Re: Were extractors standard on V6? 2017/10/20 21:47:50 (permalink)
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    Thank you!!  I was looking in section 6.2 exhaust system so didn't see the pic in sect 6.1.  The red parts manual has a pic but it's the V4 labelled as 3000cc.  One item I can cross off their list.
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    Re: Were extractors standard on V6? 2017/10/20 22:28:00 (permalink)
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    ...........another amazing fact of the Mk1 GTV6 !  ..............I've been a mechanic all my life, and know of NO OTHER mass produced vehicle even close to this "Price Bracket" that ever came out standard with Extractors, in lieu of heavy Cast Iron Headers as seen on every car ever made (I repeat: in this "Price Bracket" lest howls of indignation should ensue for expensive Sports Cars!)
    You really have to wonder what Ford was thinking as to why only the famous GTHO PIII was endowed with Extractors when the basic GT with 4V heads would have performed so much more with them.   Maybe just as well, as they would have succumbed to el-cheapo versions as they did on the Capri GTV6 for the sake of the almighty dollar.
    I've been told on many occasions that the factory Extractors on the GTV6 were so flimsy, they barely made it past the 12 month factory warranty !

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    Re: Were extractors standard on V6? 2017/10/20 22:42:03 (permalink)
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    ”A free-flow two-branch exhaust manifold fabricated from welded steel tubes is used for each bank of cylinders, and is secured to the cylinder head by bolts through steel flanges welded to the pipe ends on the outside of the V. Each manifold has seperate pipes of equal length for each cylinder, and these are joined together at a junction box to form a common outlet. A cast flange, for connection to the exhaust system, is held captive by the flared end of the common outlet.”



    Hi Cosworth. Your quote must have been meant for the V4, as it mentions    two-branch exhaust manifold

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    Re: Were extractors standard on V6? 2017/10/21 00:33:46 (permalink)
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    From the parts book.

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    Re: Were extractors standard on V6? 2017/10/21 02:20:01 (permalink)
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    Awesome now I can take both books.  I didn't even think to check the manifolds section, stopped at exhaust and engine.  I didn't know a preheat intake was added in 72.  One was in the boot of this car which is a 70, I thought it was just junk from one of his other cars.  Parts book section 60 page 5 is for mounts but shows the whole V4 engine labelled as 3000cc.
     
    Thanks again everyone.
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    Re: Were extractors standard on V6? 2017/10/21 08:02:03 (permalink)
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    There are a few typos/errors where a V4 part is shown or described in the V6 manual, but I just put that down to human error.

    Let us know how you go.

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    Re: Were extractors standard on V6? 2017/10/21 16:49:39 (permalink)
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    Looks like you've got the info you're after, good people on here.
    Are you dealing direct with the W.A. DOT pits? If so you have my sympathy. These guys are inconsistent at best, I've been over a few times and they've never failed me for my after market headers but instead for a missing drain rubber in the boot. I removed it so it would drain
    Alot of these guys were mechanics once upon a time but were re-deployed from the bus service when it was privatised, they have no drive or passion. You are right to question them but sometimes playing along with a 'yes sir, no sir' attitude can be an easier option.
    Hope it goes your way. Drew.
     

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    Re: Were extractors standard on V6? 2017/10/23 20:18:05 (permalink)
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    I still have the original extractors.
    Yes , I have welded up some pinholes using the oxy, most recently this year.
    Fingers crossed, they'll last another 47yrs in our dry inland climate.  

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    Re: Were extractors standard on V6? 2017/10/24 01:09:42 (permalink)
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    Not dealing with DOT, went to Pebco instead as closer to home.  They were really good, no complaints about what they found.  I wouldn't expect them to know everything about every car so I don't have an issue with them thinking extractors were non standard. 
     
    I took the manuals to them today, no hassle he crossed the requirement for a permit off the list.  Just got a couple of mounts to replace so should be good to go by Thurs.
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    Re: Were extractors standard on V6? 2017/10/26 12:50:22 (permalink)
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    We decided to do the sump gasket properly which allowed me to get a good pic of the extractors.  My mechanic who worked at Ford dealerships in the 70's reckons there is a good chance that these are original.  I don't know but different collector to the Pacemakers.
     
    One of the things the inspector is going to check is that the position of the collector matches the position of the collector in the parts book so I think I got lucky with this one. 

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    Re: Were extractors standard on V6? 2017/10/26 16:38:25 (permalink)
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    Yes, those are stock factory extractors

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    Re: Were extractors standard on V6? 2017/10/26 19:52:25 (permalink)
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    Jeez, these inspectors get my goat. It's a piece of bent tubing - why should they care whether it's factory original or not?

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