What makes a 'matching numbers' Capri

There is a difference in ID number placement between ’69-‘70 Capris and '71-'72 Capris.

1969-70
These cars have a similar dual numbering system to XW Falcons. A numbers matching car from 1970 would have:
- the engine number stamped on the drivers side shock tower and the same number stamped on the engine. For V6's: a JE number (manual transmission) or JF number (automatic transmission);
- the chassis number (CK number) stamped on the slam panel (rearwards of the bonnet lock mechanism);
- both numbers would appear on the compliance plate.

1971-72
From 1971 onwards, the same number (CK number) is stamped on the:
- drivers side shock tower in the engine bay
- compliance plate
- engine

Note: Engine numbers are stamped directly behind the drivers side cylinder head.

Yep, it wasn't something people worried about back then. I replaced a few engines in Holdens I had with Repco replacements.

The matching numbers idea still remains though, just some cars no longer have it.

The reason for this thread was to explain what makes a numbers matching car, not how important it is to various people.

I agree that matching numbers doesn't add to driving enjoyment, but again, this thread isn't about that.

I agree with both arguments. Even tho my GTV6 DELETE is 100% Matching numbers , it was offered to me at a
price that even Scrooge McDuck would've grabbed with both hands, and I just lucked in that it was 100% un-molested plus matching numbers plus low mileage plus minimal next to no rust. 
I would still have purchased it if it was at the opposite end of the scale as a basket case. 
I have ALWAYS purchased my cars with an investment hat on. They will be sold one day even if it's after you die.   
So why not buy the best value for money possible so you or the kids get a better return and even turn a profit ?
This is the mantra of the Capitalist for which I won't apologize for.

 HAPPY NEW YEAR TO EVERYONE
 
Thanks Terry, 
 
could you or any other knowledgeable Member inform me if I am wrong with what is actually exclusive about these 11 Capris, from what I've been told........
 
TRUE OR FALSE?......ONLY these ELEVEN CAME WITH:
 
1/  Uprated 165HP eng in lieu(i/l) of 144HP with improved front & rear Crank Seals
2/  Steel centred Fibre Outer ring Timing Gear i/l of std all fibre
3/  38 DGAS Carby i/l of std 40DFAV Carby
4/  GT Badges placed several inches rearwards
5/  "D Port Heads" inc larger Valves i/l of Oval Port
6/  Uprated D Port Intake Manifold
7/  Dizzy Performance upgrade (Centrifical weights change and/or Vacuum Control change?)
8/  F&R Suspension upgrade
9/  All Black Interior with white Seat inserts and white Ceiling
10/  Close ratio Gears and Bearing Upgrade in Gearbox
11/  Lower Ratio Diff Gears and  "        "       in Diff
12/  Speed adjustable Clock
 
Have I missed anything ?  .........Was floor or any other sheetmetal reinforced more than any other V6 ?
 
Does anyone know specifically the technical details of the 165HP Engine over the std 144 HP Eng ?
(such as stroke/bore, Piston and Rings materials, Conrod materials, Mains, Big ends and small ends bearings material, Crank upgrade, Engine Block Girdles upgrade,  etc ?)
 
cheers
 
Bernie

Hi Bernie

I don't think anyone wants to rain on your parade or anything. I'd like to have the car you have, but it might be worth clearing a few things up.

1/  Uprated 165HP eng in lieu(i/l) of 144HP

The 11 specials had upgraded drivetrain, with the revised D-port engine, gearbox with revised ratios (3rd gear different?), and the 3.09 ratio diff (with LSD?). It should be noted that the stated horsepower isn't 'like for like'.

with improved front & rear Crank Seals

No idea/not heard of this.

2/  Steel centred Fibre Outer ring Timing Gear i/l of std all fibre

Yes, as part of the revised engine specs.

3/  38 DGAS Carby i/l of std 40DFAV Carby

Yes, as part of the revised engine specs.

4/  GT Badges placed several inches rearwards

This would only be the case if the car was ordered/made as a delete options car, which may have been the case for some of the cars given to sales reps/executives.

5/  "D Port Heads" inc larger Valves i/l of Oval Port

Yes, as part of the revised engine specs, but not sure about the valve sizes.

6/  Uprated D Port Intake Manifold

Yes, as part of the revised engine specs.

7/  Dizzy Performance upgrade (Centrifical weights change and/or Vacuum Control change?)

No idea/not heard of this.

8/  F&R Suspension upgrade

No suspension upgrades that I'm aware of - should be standard Aus capri V6

9/  All Black Interior with white Seat inserts and white Ceiling

Interior could have been whatever was ordered/allocated for the car. No specific trim combination for the specials

10/  Close ratio Gears and Bearing Upgrade in Gearbox

3rd gear was changed (I think) so that ratios were improved.

11/  Lower Ratio Diff Gears and  "        "       in Diff

3.09 diff ratio, not sure about bearings, but may also have LSD

12/  Speed adjustable Clock

Never heard of this
 

Was floor or any other sheetmetal reinforced more than any other V6 ?

No
 

Does anyone know specifically the technical details of the 165HP Engine over the std 144 HP Eng ?
(such as stroke/bore, Piston and Rings materials, Conrod materials, Mains, Big ends and small ends bearings material, Crank upgrade, Engine Block Girdles upgrade,  etc ?)

If you get a copy of the facelift manual JR has got reprinted (and selling on ebay), some of this will be in that. I suspect though, you may have to research UK sources to find what the uprated specs were. The change happened around the middle of 1971 in the UK, where all V6 capri then had the uprated engine fitted.

Also, as Spud has said, most of the drivetrain improvements the specials got were in the RS3100s, but the RS got a better internal linkage gearbox and suspension improvements.

Happy info hunting.

Cheers
Jamie

I would like to know what weight these cars came out of factory at. Also weight of the RS3100. Can’t be the exactly the same as our standard cars.

Thanks John for that much appreciated info............
 
I just checked the "C of A" Ford sent me 2 years ago; the only 3 items it said as delete was........
DELETE STRIPES
DELETE BONNET BLACKOUT
DELETE BONNET SECURITY PINS
 
as you say John, mine must be a "DELETE MODEL"; I guess
...(God help me if I swore black and blue it was a 100% definite!) Think i'll "GUESS" from now on !