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Re: mk1 2 door escort build up 2015/07/18 20:44:08 (permalink)
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Nice sounds like you had a lot of fun with it and alot if experimenting. Learn the right way without conputer technology! .

My engine pictured is bone stock and 10 to 12 years old .very cheap set up and its very reliable.

My last pinto in the late 90's early 2000 i built started of draw thru with a single su carb. But i ran nitrous direct fogger kit and used it as anti lag .setup through a hobb switch to turn off after 7 psi. And ran to 12psi. Never dynoed it but it ran 13.4 in a mk2 at the strip.

I then changed it to blow thru and put a 2 barrel holley on it. No intercooler . 12 psi it went 140 rwks at low revs 5500 cam went to 7000. All this done on a cast piston standard rods and crank only work being mild port job double valve springs and a crow 26661 cam.

So back to the track and it destroyed the heavy duty clutch. So in went a brass button 4 puk clutch. Back to track again and first pass snapped all 6 flywheel bolts out the back of the crank. Upgrade again ended up modifying crank and uses Cleveland flywheel bolts. All sweet front mount added and some more boost 18 psi it went 178 rwks. By that time we had no track to race at so it was never raced. And i sold the car.

The one u see in thread is being built just to cruise and maybe enjoy occasional track day its no power house but can still be alot of fun. And if they are well built and tuned right no exotic motor is needed.
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Re: mk1 2 door escort build up 2015/07/19 08:20:59 (permalink)
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A mate of mine back in the 80s built a draw-draw set-up after I took him for a ride in mine. He had a hiflow T03/T04 hybrid sucking through an SU and he would wind it up to 24 PSI regularly. We swapped cars a few times, just for comparison, and his car pulled harder than mine, as you would expect running the extra boost, but the responsiveness of the draw-through system was horrible. It felt like there was a rubber band in the throttle cable and the carby took a second or so to respond to the throttle being floored. Makes sense using a fogger NOS kit. Did you find this the case between the draw-through and blow-through?
 
I've got a 26661 grind cam which I have run without boost, but never boosted. What did it perform like and did you ever run a standard cam to compare it against?
 
I too in the end went with a solid centre button clutch on my 1st engine and it was not only the last clutch I bought, but the only one that held up. Took a bit of practice to engage from standstill, but once you got the hang of it, it was OK, but I'd never call it smooth.
 
Both engines ran their exhaust systems down the passenger side, just like a factory Escort. 1st engine was 2.5 inch non mandrel bent with only a single muffler in the original location under the rear seat. Sounded deep and throaty yet very quiet. 2nd engine was 3 inch mandrel bent with both a muffler and resonator. I had read that 3 inch systems were prone to droning, but I thought I'd give it a go anyway. Big mistake. Anything over 90 km/h and it was like driving while sitting inside a bass drum. I still have the full 3 inch system, which comprises a 3 inch dump pipe from the back of the turbo to about level with the top of the sump, then bolt on from there. Did it this way to avoid having the joining flange under the car due to already tight clearances. If I build another one I plan on using the 3 inch dump pipe then reducing to a 2.5 inch system from there and will just run it down the driver's side as I don't have a drop tank.
 
And I absolutely agree with you. If they are well built and tuned right no exotic motor is needed.
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Re: mk1 2 door escort build up 2015/07/19 10:57:44 (permalink)
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The biggest difference from draw thru to blow thru was the lag or lack of lag. No comparison . The change in driveability after changing to blow thru was phenomenal. Hence why i had nos on the draw thru setup to eliminate lag.



The 26661 cam responds well to turbo charging due to its wide lsa of 112. Most of the kent or known na cams have a narrower lsa. This might make better power on a na engine but on a bosted engine they are far from ideal. Should be aiming for a 112-114 lsa. numbers are on the board with this type of cam with turbo charging so I'd definitely use it again.

Yes compared to stock made a heap more power

I have recently ordered another 26661 and valve springs and are going to do it all again like the last engine i had.so will be good to compare the drive ability this time round too.

I have done similar to you with the 3 inch dump flanged it up higher aswell due to clearance . I run 3inch dump a 3 inch pipe to straight thru/hot dog before diff. Then a 2.5 muffler and pipe out the back. I would say its very quiet and no droning at all at cruise speeds. But when that external gate opens its a different note all together.
The old car ran 2.5 all the way with just 1 single muffler if anything thst was more droning compared to 3 with 2 mufflers.

Wat size id pipe is your turbo manifold. ?

I have tried 2 sizes 1/1/2 and 1/1/4 steam pipe as pictured in one of my earlier pics.
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Re: mk1 2 door escort build up 2015/07/19 14:32:06 (permalink)
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The biggest difference from draw thru to blow thru was the lag or lack of lag. No comparison . The change in driveability after changing to blow thru was phenomenal. Hence why i had nos on the draw thru setup to eliminate lag.

 
That's exactly what my mate with the draw-through set-up said after taking my car for a spin. The difference in response is night and day.

My first engine started off with a steam pipe manifold topped with a turbo off a factory Nissan Bluebird running the standard internal waste-gate. I then bought the Garret split-port cast manifold and T03 with the external waste-gate and fell in love with the in-cabin adjustability. Not sure what ID pipes are used in the manifold I've currently got, but it looks pretty much exactly the same as the first manifold I had made, only with an external waste-gate.
 
This is about the best photo I've got of my current manifold with the waste-gate visible underneath.
 

 

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Re: mk1 2 door escort build up 2015/07/19 18:40:46 (permalink)
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looks good jeff cant wait till we are both boosting them, 
good to see you  with an escort again 


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Re: mk1 2 door escort build up 2015/07/19 19:12:50 (permalink)
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TT331The 26661 cam responds well to turbo charging due to its wide lsa of 112.



Interesting you say that. When I was looking into forced induction I found a bit of info from the Swedes at Skogen racing. The crow 26661 specs match up perfectly to the cam they recommend for turbo application
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Re: mk1 2 door escort build up 2015/07/19 22:16:34 (permalink)
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The 26661 crow i used in a pinto years ago that had a s4 13b turbo bolted to it.
The results were amazing. Blow thru carb no intercooler 12psi 140kw @ wheels measured at only 5500. Operator didn't take it all the way to 7000.
Then it was intercooled and ran 18psi it went 178kw @ wheels. Only mods to engine other than cam was a mild port job.it got years of abuse and is still going with the new owner.
I will use this cam again on this mk1 build .have just ordered it as i am getting float with the stocker at the moment.
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Re: mk1 2 door escort build up 2015/07/19 22:26:38 (permalink)
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a few interior shots it uses the factory 6 dial dash new door cards from aldrige trim in uk and omp bucket seats as the factory front seats needed major work to restore. Suprisingly the back seat is still the factory 1970 trim and material just replaced a small section of it across the top where it was cracked and sun damaged.





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Re: mk1 2 door escort build up 2015/07/20 07:19:11 (permalink)
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The 26661 crow i used in a pinto years ago that had a s4 13b turbo bolted to it.
The results were amazing. Blow thru carb no intercooler 12psi 140kw @ wheels measured at only 5500. Operator didn't take it all the way to 7000.
Then it was intercooled and ran 18psi it went 178kw @ wheels. Only mods to engine other than cam was a mild port job.it got years of abuse and is still going with the new owner.
I will use this cam again on this mk1 build .have just ordered it as i am getting float with the stocker at the moment.



Hey TT331,
 
I can't recall if you mentioned it earlier, but what pistons did you use? Cast or forged?
 
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Re: mk1 2 door escort build up 2015/07/20 09:03:30 (permalink)
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Chuff,

Pistons used in the 178kw build
Were acl duralite pistons. Still cast but they have a higher silicone content some may call these hypereutetic
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Re: mk1 2 door escort build up 2015/08/14 20:23:18 (permalink)
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a couple more pics of the car and also as mentioned earlier carby was used to get the motor going i have been busy converting it to efi motor still standard once uts up and going will do the the cam swap and put it on dyno to see wat power it makes

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Re: mk1 2 door escort build up 2015/08/14 20:29:38 (permalink)
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The efi intake i used is a 4 barrel spearco .
Have welded 4 speedflow injector bosses in each runner. Managed to track down a NOS vortech intake elbow.
Welded a throttle body flange mount to that . And will be running a foward facing elbow with a universal 70mm throttle body and a nissan t.p.s

Ignition i am using is a 4age toyota distributor with a cas and a single tooth home position sensor for sequential injection.

Running single coil and a 4age igniter

There is a fair few mods to do to the pinto distributor to get it all to work.

Will post some pics to follow.
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Re: mk1 2 door escort build up 2015/08/14 20:32:23 (permalink)
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Efi ntake manifold in the build



Ended up using a universal fuel rail extrusion and drilled 4 holes to suit tge injectors and tapped each end off it with a 3/8 npt tap for some speed flow fittings to screw into .

Less than $50 for the fuel rail
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Re: mk1 2 door escort build up 2015/08/14 20:37:57 (permalink)
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The throttle body trial fit




Distributor modded pinto bottom half for oil pump drive and 4 age top half it also runs the 4age cap

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Re: mk1 2 door escort build up 2015/08/14 20:40:40 (permalink)
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And final assembly with a bit of black paint


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