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2014/01/06 22:45:26 (permalink)
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Capri Headlight Wiring Help Urgent

3000E is going in for RWC, I have parkers, high beam, but no main beam.  I have no power at the fusebox from the blue/red wire-which powers main beam, the other 2 have power.  I have a part melted headlight switch loom plug.  Seems something is amiss and was prior to my ownership.  The wiring diagram from Mr Haynes is so small its like a Soviet microdot from the 60's.  OK so what is the sequence of events for the main beam and why would the loom plug have melted?  WHos got a good fix?  I might just have to get an auto elec in but need this done chop chop as Wed AM its front and centre at the RWC man and I don't want to be embarassed, all assistance appreciated 

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    Re: Capri Headlight Wiring Help Urgent 2014/01/06 23:15:28 (permalink)
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    John, I have a big size already scanned wiring diagram for the 3000GT if that's any help. Also, I have the 1973 Capri (UK) Supplementary Workshop Manual which has wiring diagrams for the Standard, GT and the 3.0 litre GXL if they are of any use. I'd have to scan them though and they are A3 size and extremely fine already. I could scan them if you want which will improve the size and may help. Back to you, Terry 

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    Re: Capri Headlight Wiring Help Urgent 2014/01/06 23:19:44 (permalink)
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    Hope the following helps.....................
     
    Not knowing your car model intimately, or its year, I'll give you the Generic Low-down..................Like most early cars, esp English cars using "Prince of Darkness"equipment, aka Lucas, they rarely , if at all, used "relays". Consequently the whole circuit took the whole load till the weakest part failed. In your case, the headlamp switch has over-heated* and started to melt causing warpage and/or point burn-out in the HL sw, and so no high beam.
     
    You'll need a new Headlight switch for starters, but check your globes and change them if they're anything but 60w/55w........ as often owners will put in higher wattage globes looking for better illumination (in reality doesn't improve much as the old wires and old connections can't handle the extra load)........If you want brighter lights and higher wattage globes, you MUST fit a relay for Low Beam plus a relay for High Beam, and ALWAYS have Fuses protecting ALL circuits, which is another cheap move by car makers, to leave so many circuits un protected and Fuse-less. This is a fire or accident waiting to happen. Try and avoid used HL switch; always new where poss.
    Also check as many connections as possible. All would be ideal. Loose and semi-loose connections are the enemy of a good circuit. Pull them apart and clean them thoroughly with spray contact cleaner. Make sure ALL insulation of wires and terminals is sound.
     
    Let me know how you go.
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    Re: Capri Headlight Wiring Help Urgent 2014/01/07 07:32:49 (permalink)
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    Thanks all so far, I cant remember if I used an exchange headlight switch, I'll swap it anyway, I'm not to happy with the state of the connections at the plug so I may have to re-jig (about 1 in 3 light switches I used to get had soldered bullet terminals onto the pins.  I recalll seeing an odd relay under the dash when I stripped the car I'll dig out the photo and investigate further

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    Re: Capri Headlight Wiring Help Urgent 2014/01/07 07:47:55 (permalink)
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    I too have seen the soldered wire to pin trick.  Its very annoying if you have to dismantle later on.
    A better quick fix is to cut off the wiring loom plug(its cactus any way) and fit standard insulated bayonet connectors. Thats right even tho they are meant to push on to a flat bayonet style connection  you will find that one side presses snugly over the pin. The only permanent cure tho is the fitting of relays as BV said. Then the switch only has very low load.
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    Re: Capri Headlight Wiring Help Urgent 2014/01/07 08:14:06 (permalink)
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    JR, hope those scanned GXL wiring diagrams have helped! Yell out if you need the others scanned. Terry

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    Re: Capri Headlight Wiring Help Urgent 2014/01/07 09:07:22 (permalink)

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    Re: Capri Headlight Wiring Help Urgent 2014/01/07 13:39:30 (permalink)
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    Fixed!!  It was a dodgy connection at the switch, AND a dodgy connection at the indicator stalk, someone had tried to improve the connection by putting a blob of solder on the low beam contact, which although touched beautifully had poor conductivity.  Switch re-wired terminal replaced with connectors, and a handy dandy spare indicator stalk, alls well fingers crossed for tomorrow  

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    Re: Capri Headlight Wiring Help Urgent 2014/01/07 13:48:48 (permalink)
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    Great detective work on that one John! Don't forget that the RS3100 needs to be ready for Small Ford Sunday to help us celebrate the 40th anniversary of the marque! Perhaps the 3000E for Fed Square on Australia day? Cheers, Terry

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    Re: Capri Headlight Wiring Help Urgent 2014/01/07 15:04:11 (permalink)
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    Daughters 21'st on Australia Day, so I had better pass.  Work on the RS starts tomorrow, it will be at SFS 

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    Re: Capri Headlight Wiring Help Urgent 2014/01/07 16:08:49 (permalink)
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    As a matter of interest, On my white Capri (now sold) I put high powered globes in it and put the relay inside the grill just to the right, on the battery side. This made the wire from the battery to the lights very short which I would presume to be better - I'm certainly no expert on auto electric, but I had it like this for years trouble free with very bright lights..
     
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    Re: Capri Headlight Wiring Help Urgent 2014/01/07 18:04:22 (permalink)
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    Congrats JR on finding the gremlins.  Wiring issues can be 'challenging' to resolve.
     
    Another approach is to use Xenon filled H4's, but keet the wattage at 60/55W and , importantly, Xenon colour temp at 4300K (degrees kelvin).  Just like daylight with no extra drain.  Other brands around these days offering more light for same power drain (just done my daughters WQ Fiesta as a Xmas present).... a wide range available at OhSoCheap store.
     
    CapriClinic also offer a kit of two relays to 'splice' into your existing loom near the fuse box, without chopping your existing wiring.  I have one and works fine - shows some thought had gone into working out the wiring setup for the relays for this solution.  Turns the headlight/dip switch into a simple low drain 'signal' arrangement for the relay.
     (Don't we all love the way the smoke comes out of the wiring insulation sometimes !!!  And unexplainably !!)
     
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    Re: Capri Headlight Wiring Help Urgent 2014/01/07 22:02:20 (permalink)
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    Mmmmm food for thought I'll jump onto Kevs site and have a little look, makes perfect sense to have a relay especially if you don't have to cut and shut wiring.  The globes in it are standard H4 60/55 regulars, I don't plan on night driving....
     

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    Re: Capri Headlight Wiring Help Urgent 2014/01/08 00:06:01 (permalink)
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    Without a relay the load also goes through the ignition which is why they always melt, which is why in winter with the wipers and heater going, the key gets really hot.  IMO put relays on the wipers and heater as well.
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    Re: Capri Headlight Wiring Help Urgent 2014/01/08 07:20:05 (permalink)
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    Can't seem to get the Capri Clinic site to load, I get the old fire page from years ago, but anything to do with the parts crashes

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