shepv8
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2 litre hesitation on acceleration.
Gday all, what could be causes for a reasonably standard ( has mild cam and extractors ) 2 litre escort to give a slight hesitation when you first accelerate. I really notice it when I coast around a small roundabout then accelerate out of it. Dosent matter how subtle or abruptly I prees the pedal it still does the hesitation then takes off and goes quite well. The carb dosent have a choke fitted ( does have the choke plates which aren't stuck ) Cheers Shep
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Re: 2 litre hesitation on acceleration.
2013/09/10 22:25:19
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Its running lean (lack of fuel) this could be anything from jet size to emulsion tubes to blocked squirt jets located just under the chokes , maybe the idle jets blocked or too small now. These are on the outside of carby near the base. one each side, you can undo the throttle side idle jet 1/2 turn to see if this is the problem..
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Re: 2 litre hesitation on acceleration.
2013/09/10 23:41:07
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I had the same thing years back, tuned out to be a bad batch of fuel. Either junk in the fuel or possibly even water? Drained the tank, cleaned the carbs and was good to go.
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Re: 2 litre hesitation on acceleration.
2013/09/11 16:24:21
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I read on a weber tuning guide today that water in fuel is a common cause of this fault. I was a bit sceptical but after reading this advice I might try and get some new fuel in it. Failing that Ill check the lean fuel mix theory.
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Re: 2 litre hesitation on acceleration.
2013/09/11 17:12:11
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If its water in the fuel just pour a bottle of methylated spirits into the tank that will clean it up no problem
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Re: 2 litre hesitation on acceleration.
2013/09/11 18:07:33
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And good to clean out the carb if you can. Sponge/soak up any fluid in there as water can sit in there (if it is in there).
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Re: 2 litre hesitation on acceleration.
2013/09/11 20:00:39
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If its a standard webber it will be the throttle (accel) pump on the side. The wear a little bit, so the throttle opens and no fuel is pumped in the carb for a fraction of a second causing the slight hesitation. The kits were cheap back in the day so you used to just rekit the whole thing. Or you may be able to still buy the accel pump seperate.
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Re: 2 litre hesitation on acceleration.
2013/09/11 22:47:54
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I have exactly the same problem with an exact set up as ShepV8. the only difference is that I removed the choke plates. But I honestly dont think this is the issue. Someone once told me it could be the float. I adjusted it and it helped. However I still have a small flat spot that is evident. I have also recieved advice that the car may be running lean, however this is not possible because it stinks like its running rich and it sticks to my clothes. I wish I could also rectify this issue as its frustrating me. I am curious to understand what this throttle (accel) pump is. If your referring to accel valve that gets bolted on the lid of the carbi, i have already replaced this and it didnt change anything. Diagram would help.
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Re: 2 litre hesitation on acceleration.
2013/09/12 10:47:17
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I'm with Ford_Escort on this one. Sounds like an accelerator pump problem. Easy to check. Assuming it's the standard Weber 32/36 carbie, remove the air filter so as to be able to look down the barrels of the carbie, and while looking down the barrels turn the accelerator linkage to open the throttle. You should see a squirt of fuel being pumped into the primary barrel out of the accelerator discharge nozzle which is located at the top of the barrels, protruding towards the center of the barrels from in between the barrels. Although there are 2 accelerator discharge nozzles, 1 per barrel, only the primary barrel should receive a squirt of fuel which if memory serves me right will be the barrel closest to the rocker cover. If no fuel is squirted into the primary barrel, then you have a problem with the accelerator pump circuit. This could be caused by a damaged accelerator diaphragm, a blockage in the accelerator pump circuit, or damaged accelerator discharge nozzle. Good luck, and let us know how it goes.
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Re: 2 litre hesitation on acceleration.
2013/09/12 20:37:28
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Chuff,
Thanks for your input. I have in the past looked at this. At the accelerator pump does work fine. The little thing is shaped like a v and although it has two arms, the other arm has a blind outlet. i.e it can only provide fuel in the primary barrel. Thats the thing with this problem and this is why its doing my head in. The car runs like a dog at low end and stins like hell. Once she is going, she hammers along nicely. But drivalebility in a carpark is woeful.
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Rodney
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Re: 2 litre hesitation on acceleration.
2013/09/13 01:48:10
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some 32/36 carbs have sleeved main discharge nozzles, those sometimes loosen up and spin around causing lean running. will idle fine but run lean at all other throttle openings/engine loads. throw those out and replace with full cast ones. Lean smells very strong also, so don't assume its rich unless you are familiar with both smells. cheers
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Re: 2 litre hesitation on acceleration.
2013/09/13 09:17:23
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Shep, the weber has a series of small holes around the butterfly. On small throttle movements they are gradually uncovered to vary metering. They block easily being so small. Try removing the aircleaner and ragging the carb. Grab a sizable rag which cant be drawn into the carb, an old t shirt us good. wrap it into a tight ball, bring the revs up and jam the rag over the throat of the carby. By blocking the air flow it puts a big vacuum on the fuel jets a draws extra fuel through the jers helping to flush out any fine particles. The motor will stall fron the extra fuel; so hold the accelerator wide open when trying to start again to clear this. Have you checked for Vacuum leaks. Inlet gaskets, vacuum lines & worn throttle shafts will all result in accelaration stumbles.
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Re: 2 litre hesitation on acceleration.
2013/09/13 20:04:02
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So, Ive managed to score a free standard weber-manifold etc off a TF Cortina that has only done 75,000kms ! It was a 1 owner before a mate bought it and pulled the 2 litre out to put in a 302, 9 inch etc etc so Im going to fit that carby but I will still pull down the problem weber and have a look at it. I want the Choke installed again anyway so I can start it up when its cold. Interesting you mention vacuum leaks. I was thinking of this because, the brakes, ( which were rebuilt and serviced by the previous owner who did a 1st class resto on the car ) , don't have much power and at first I suspected crappy pads and discks ( as these weren't replaced in the resto ) but I started thinking maybe the vacuum booster isn't getting the needed vacuum , or its leaking vacuum.
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Re: 2 litre hesitation on acceleration.
2013/09/14 07:38:45
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Hi Mick, I've just read this and it is interesting to read all the responses, To put in a choke is not going change how it goes through round abouts, A choke will lift the idle when cold because of the little lumpy cam and compression. Unlike modern cars where we jump in, just kick em over and go, no warming up. With the flat spot or hesitation, have you put a different carb on it yet or not ? I just had twin 45 webbers recond. for $294.00 at the carburettor specialist at Burwood. The carby on your engine was never pulled apart and recond. by me in the rebuild, Jim
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Re: 2 litre hesitation on acceleration.
2013/09/14 08:19:04
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Hey Jim, Yeah, I just want the choke for slightly easier cold starts! I was planning on getting it rebuilt by a carb specialist but then when you add the cost of the choke parts ( I would use all new bits ) its getting up to the price of a new carb. Then I got the chance to grab this Cortina carb so its a logical step to clean that one and put it on first . May or may not solve the slight hesitation but it will cost me nothing to try. Hows the RS going ? Rally packs going great! Shep
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