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How many Capri GT V6's left
I was having a chat yesterday to a somebody regarding how many genuine Capri GT V6 are still about. We both had very different opinions and I wonder what you guys think? My thoughts would be around the 1000 car mark, taking into account about 2/3's would have not survived or had V8's etc fitted. I know of about 10 Capri V6 GT's in Tasmania if that helps, but I am sure there are a few more hidden away in Tassie sheds. Regards
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Re:How many Capri GT V6's left
2013/03/23 10:07:04
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First, let's start with how many were actually assembled here in Australia from the completely knocked down kits (CKD) imported from the UK. From January, 1970 through to November, 1972, when the GT/V6 models were being assembled at Ford's Homebush plant in Sydney, there were 2,459 GT/V6 manuals and 555 GT/V6 auto's, a grand total of 3,014. As to how many are left, I'd say that you'd be lucky to find 500, and that's probably too high a guesstimate! Now, let the banter begin, Terry
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Re:How many Capri GT V6's left
2013/03/23 17:02:04
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Terry, That ,means we had aboot 10% of the V6GT population at Wagga a couple of years ago - about 50 V6 cars IIRC
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Re:How many Capri GT V6's left
2013/03/23 22:46:48
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Terry, That ,means we had aboot 10% of the V6GT population at Wagga a couple of years ago - about 50 V6 cars IIRC
At Wagga in 2009 we only had 22 GT/V6s out of a total of 68 Capris! It's fair to say that, even if we could identify all the V6 Capri's in Clubs around Australia, we would probably cover less than half the V6 Capri's left in the country anyway. It's an impossible challenge, but I'm thinking that there are far less than my original guessimate of 500 left. FYI, here's the breakdown of the Capri's at Wagga , Easter, 2009: Consul Capri 1, 1600 Deluxe 3, 1600 XL 1, 1600GT 6, 3000GT 22, XR2 Convertible 4, Convertible 4, Clubsprint 1, RS3100 6, Perana 1, Mk2 US 2.8i 1, Mk3 1.6S 1, Mk3 2.0S 1, Mk3 2.8i 3, Mk3 3.0 2, Modified 2-litre 4, Modified V6 4, Modified V8 2, 2000GT 1, TOTAL = 68
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Re:How many Capri GT V6's left
2013/03/24 09:29:16
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Glenn, I'd love to see a Capri register and am willing to help, be it an on-line register or off-line. The thing that seems to worry everyone though is revealing the full Chassis number and their rego numbers! For the life of me I have no idea why, as these are the most essential part of the register in order to help differentiate between the cars. Terry
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Re:How many Capri GT V6's left
2013/03/24 11:01:17
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whooligan
The idea of a register would be nice but I think we all know there is someone who "claims" legal rights to that, yet won't reveal what he knows.
Care to elaborate?
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Re:How many Capri GT V6's left
2013/03/24 12:24:34
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I think there has been some politics floating in Capri (/Classic Ford) circles for some years. None of which is helpful to our cause. Shame really......
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Re:How many Capri GT V6's left
2013/03/24 13:25:27
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ford3000gt The thing that seems to worry everyone though is revealing the full Chassis number and their rego numbers! For the life of me I have no idea why, as these are the most essential part of the register in order to help differentiate between the cars.
I agree. I think the most important thing is that the finer details (serial number, SIDO, engine number) should only be made public with the permission of the owner. Other information, such as serial prefix (eg, CK17ME), build date, model number, paint, trim etc is quite harmless in the public domain I think. The information I have has either been made public (either online or public display), or the owner has made the information available to me. In all cases, I don't necessarily feel that I have the right to re-post that information, especially where the owner has given me the car details directly. I think the best scenario would be a register available publically (website or forum), possibly similar to the old RS2000 register. There are one or two different registers that the Falcon guys do which might be worth comparing. I'd suggest the main rules could be: - full details of the car would only be published with the owner's permission
- no full names and addresses would be sought (or revealed)
Information from Ford about production numbers/details would also be useful, but acknowledging the work put into compiling these by people such as yourself Terry. Cheers Jamie
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Re:How many Capri GT V6's left
2013/03/24 18:43:38
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These was a guy charging $5 to be on a capri register but sent nothing back in return. When I questioned the validity of what he was doing, he claimed he had all the right to Ford Material on Capris and if I wanted access to it I need to pay!!! I'd mention his name but he'd probably sue.
Sounds pretty poor form. Interesting that someone could claim a legal right to such information. I would have thought it would be in the 'public interest'. Did he say how much he wanted for the info? Cheers Jamie
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Re:How many Capri GT V6's left
2013/03/24 21:37:58
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Ok maybe a easier question. How may RS3100's left? Also it is a very interesting topic regarding how many of a specific car are left, this topic regarding XY GTHO phase 3's has been argued for many years. Regarding a register, may be an idea for one of the Capri clubs to handle, that way they would at least get their members cars on it but there is always vehicles tucked away in storage waiting to repaired / restored plus there are many Capris owners that don't participate in forums and car clubs etc. I have a gut feeling there would be more than 500 remaining, but only a guess with no evidence to back it up. Also I wonder if it would be possible to get a break down of how many cars where built in specific colour and trim spec. You see this info for other Fords so again might be a project for one of the Capri Clubs out there. Slightly off topic bit does anybody know of the 3 1970 1600 GT's that were built? Or how many original 1600 GT's are left? And also how many of this forum users are greedy (or just twice as silly) and own more that 1 x GT V6, or more than one Capri?
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Re:How many Capri GT V6's left
2013/03/24 22:49:32
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How many RS31's?? i might be able to shed some light on that 1, i have details of 48, can confirm 38, with 2 going to NZ, 1 going to UK and 2 extra's from the UK coming here. they are coming out of the wood work, with my registar of the RS31, i dont want address, just the chassis number and a pics, no other details. It seems to put most owners at ease with just this info, and i dont want to know any more... maybe a open Capri registar, including all capri's (there aren't that many about any more) with just the chassis number and a pic of the car, and let the owners decided what other info they want to give... Maybe we should get all the clubs in this registar, have a person in each state? And make this public, to show we are not hiding anything, maybe a simple website.. I know that Newcastle has over 50 capri's in it, most hidden away... Pm if anybody is keen, as i have mate that could set up a website. Cheers Owen
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Re:How many Capri GT V6's left
2013/03/24 23:10:54
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It's surprising what is out there. I live in a small town and know of 4 with rumours of maybe 2 more. they range from a 1970 XL to a V6 GT to a 700 HP street legal V8 with my dressed up poverty pack as well.
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Re:How many Capri GT V6's left
2013/03/24 23:14:45
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whooligan
These was a guy charging $5 to be on a capri register but sent nothing back in return. When I questioned the validity of what he was doing, he claimed he had all the right to Ford Material on Capris and if I wanted access to it I need to pay!!! I'd mention his name but he'd probably sue.
Are we talking about the now defunct Capri Owners Register of Australia here or is it another Queenslander who was dealing in 'official' Ford literature, I'm curious now? PM me if you're shy Glenn!
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Re:How many Capri GT V6's left
2013/03/25 09:36:15
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Ok, now I know who we're talking about now, his initials are MF. I too have had 'dealings' with him some years back as he was trying to sell a supposed 'copyrighted' document about Capris, which included information that was clearly readily available from many, many other sources, yet he said he had the Ford copyright to it all! Poor fellow, he was in his own little dream world! Anyway, moving on, I believe that any Capri register that is set-up MUST include the full prefix body and serial number for it to be of any worthwhile use, eg. CK17ME12345P. Without it, you can't differentiate between the cars! I base my beliefs on the Victorian State law which says that you can't legally advertise a car for sale without having either the registration number or the VIN (in the case of Capri's, pre-VIN), the Prefix Body and Serial number included in the advertisement. As registration numbers can, and often do, change, the full prefix body and serial number are therefore an essential part of any register.
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Re:How many Capri GT V6's left
2013/03/25 12:12:18
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Hi all, I have just created a very basic survey regarding peoples ideas of a registry This is just to get some ideas on what people may think of a registry Survey Located @ http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/9HYZNSV
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