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Re:big power f/i pinto 2011/10/04 22:14:55 (permalink)
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Without going into all the technical info/jargon, If LPG was the answer everyone before you would have been using it. I am all for thinking outside the square and doing things differently however, some things are best left alone in my opinion. Having said all that tho if your that super keen, give it a go and let us all know your outcome. 

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Re:big power f/i pinto 2011/10/04 23:13:58 (permalink)
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well with engines alot of it seems to be tradition, experience or rigerous testing done by large well funded brands to find the best way to manipulate a fuel. most being american brands.
 
lpg as a car fuel is recently being introduced to usa (where fuel is cheap and emissions standards relatively loose. infact every american you mention it with, will think 'sausages') and same with uk. so i can guess there wont be any studies on it or performance enhancement.
RE: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autogas
in australia the ron is around 105 average from memory.
ive seen a few turbo applications work to a suprising level. as far as i can tell it has good characteristics for a force inducted motor. with great difficulty im trying to find out how much can you get out of it. and if current problems faced with petrol still exist, eg thermal dynamics in relation to emissions and power loss when using a fuel that hits the heat source at 40 below
 
albeit the blends vary from pump to pump and purity is an issue
if im completely outa my tree you can tell me, i just need to know why. im keen as hell, but planning to build a F/I motor with little info about its use is a hard thing, im tempted to just build a turbo pinto with all the usual specs, pull out the decomp plate (or reduce it to a mathematically acheived comp ratio that suits lpg most) and see if it works... or see if i can find 2 pistons and 4 rods imbedded in my shed wall 
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Re:big power f/i pinto 2011/10/05 09:19:23 (permalink)
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Unless you are attempting uber horsepower with a pinto motor you are looking into this too much.  The std pinto motor has a lot of mechanical design limitations, which would cost a lot to fully rectify.
 
If you want a turbo charged street engine look at the one joeyjonsey has done.  You can easily turbocharge vitually any motor, especially for minor power increases of 50-100% with the std motor.
 
The important 3 aspects of any motor for performance are cam, compression, and airflow.  Everything else is just icing, fancy rods and forged pistons increase durability.
 
The pinto cam is pathetically small with very little lift, it is cut on a wide lobe centres and generally installed retarded.   
 
You don't need to really lower your static compression for mild power increases(especially with a LC bottom end),  8.5:1 is generally considered a good compression.  Even then you can fine tune compression with cam lobe centres.  Also if you engine cranks at less than 160psi you can throw 8psi at it with no problems.
 
Finally the turbocharger has the biggest effect on driveablity, ideally this should be sized correctly especially on a small 4 cylinder.  Whats the point of have a turbo that produces max efficiency at 30psi if you are only going to 10psi?  In the same token why have a power peak of 7500rpm when your car spends 90% of its time between 2-4500rpm? 
 
I am in the slow process now of turbocharging a mates mk2.  I am hoping to do it all for less than $3000.  That includes:
 
Fully ported head
Custom cam
Std bottom end
T3 turbo
Fabricated exhaust & manifold
Camira Ecu & wiring loom 
Fuel pump & injectors
Modified carby manifold
Ebay intercooler
 
$1500 of that is going to be the head and cam.  We are doing about 95% of the work ourselves.  Hoping for 220fwhp at about 10psi.
 
 
 
 
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Re:big power f/i pinto 2012/05/14 21:03:38 (permalink)
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sorry to bring up an old thread but it caught my attention that most assume lpg is no good for making hp... heres a video to say it does.
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=siWqyB87LNs
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