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2015/02/09 11:03:44
Andrew

Pollution and ADRs

Looking at ADRs to work out what shell I need. There seem to be three pollution ones; ADR 26 (Jan 72), ADR 27 (Jan 74) and ADR 27A (July 76).
 
In the beginning section in all three documents it states 'The Australian Transport Advisory Council has also recommended to the Commonwealth, State and Territory governments that the options available in ADR XXX - Vehicle Engine Emission Control, for motor vehicles which use unleaded petrol exclusively, shall only apply to motor vehicles manufacture on or after July 1 1985'.
 
If fitting an engine which does not require leaded fuel doesn't this suggest these ADRs don't apply? Or is is based on the original car (seems weird?).
 
Does anyone have a copy of the original ADRs? (the ones I have are ~1984)
 
Cheers,
Andrew
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evobda2
In regards to pollution the ADR will apply to the manufacture date of the engine.
So if its a modern unleaded engine, it needs to comply to that year. 
 
Which means you can't transplant a Zetec/Duratec in a mk2 escort and then put 50mm webber carbs. You will need to include factory inlet, exhaust and ecu OR if you alter any of these prove (have engineer sign off and EPA test) that the engine adheres to pollution results to or better than the ADR requirement. You'll also need catalytic converter etc. of course to get this.
 
Few helpful links:
http://www.infrastructure.gov.au/roads/environment/emission/
 
http://www.infrastructure...design/adr_online.aspx
2015/02/09 13:02:01
Matt75
What are you looking to do?  The shell you want is the early MK2 that is ADR 27A (July 76).
 
Matt
2015/02/09 14:08:58
Andrew
I've got a zetec in my RS at the moment. Transport did agree with the swap essentially based on it being an equivalent engine (which is allowed). I already had efi and no emission gear on the pinto and Transport had given it the OK, but I don't think they were right to. I used throttle bodies etc so its not really compliant I don't think.
 
I want to get a new shell and whack the Zetec in that. Wanted to try to do it all 100% legal as there will be a bunch more mods. Was looking at what the best year to get was, but if its done off the year of the engine then there is no point worrying about it.
 
Evobda2 do you know where that's in writing as a rule that its the newer of car / engine? Had a look through those links but can't see it.
2015/02/09 15:04:07
Gdub
Just to tidy that up Matt - ADR27 is what you want.  ADR27A was full pollution control.
 
If you fit a later model engine then (at least in Victoria) the emissions need to match that of the engine, the build date of the car is now irrelevant. So if you fit a ZETEC from a 2012 Focus it must comply with 2012 emission requirements.
2015/02/09 15:36:33
evobda2
I do have it there somewhere.. but couldn't find it just now without going through everything.
A previous thread on here may also give more info:
 
http://www.classic-ford.org/cfp/tm.aspx?m=55685
2015/02/09 17:38:04
Eskie92
How much work has been done to this Zetec? If there isn't too much put it back as close to original as possible to pass emission tests. Once you have passed and the car is legally registered then do what ever modifications you wish to it. Just don't get defected or you have to do it all again to get it back on the road.

Another option is running the engine on LPG, I know someone building up a MK1 Escort with a Zetec and going to run it on gas to eliminate any issues with not passing emission tests.
2015/02/09 22:38:11
evobda2
Don't forget e85 burns significantly cleaner, whether you run say 30-50% with some 98ron.
And a new catalytic convertor (ceramic tend to give cleaner results) helps a heap as well. With a efficient tune as well you should be able to pass emissions tests no problems.
2015/02/10 00:07:45
Eskie92
I was going to suggest E85 but it's not as available as LPG.
 
2015/02/10 00:24:12
Gdub
^^ Huh?  that makes no sense at all.
 
 
2015/02/10 09:35:18
Eskie92
Gdub
^^ Huh?  that makes no sense at all.


About E85 not being as available as LPG? I can't speak for other states but Adelaide only has 7 servos that provide E85 and once out of Adelaide there there isn't anything. Once your becoming low on fuel you can't just drive into any servo like you can with LPG and refuel. 
2015/02/10 11:01:03
Gdub
Oh my mistake .. i read your comment as "E85 is not available as LPG ..." 
 
E85 really isnt the answer for a part time car or something that sits around a lot.  Driven everyday and refueled every week maybe, but ethanol blend fuel simply doesnt store well.  It separates which means the fuel potency will be very different as it is burned which effects your tuning, add to that it is hygroscopic and corrosive as all hell.
 
 
2015/02/11 10:06:26
what?
Sorry to hijack the thread.
Gdub, I have spoken to an engineer briefly who has given me the ok for a duratec with itb conversion so long as there is a cat.
He is hopefully issuing a cert for the cage, seats, etc next week.
Ill try and get something on paper from him then before I collect anymore bits.
I'd appreciate to hear of any past experiences you may have though.
2015/02/11 16:18:07
Gdub
Not sure what state you live in but in Vic the car will have to have an emissions test and the emissions will have to meet the standard of the engine not the car.  To put it really simply although probably unlikely, you couldnt put a ZETEC in a MK1 escort running carburettors.  If the car had a pinto or a kent you could have the carburettors because the car is pre ADR27A but if the ZETEC is out of a 2010 focus then it must meet 2010 emissions.
Sure it will have to have a cat on it but that is only part of it.  The test is done running with an exhaust gas analyser sniffer up the pipe
2015/02/12 08:34:29
what?
In in Victoria,
I was also under the impression that you had to meet the emissions standard for the engine not the car. When i spoke with the engineer he seemed to think it was quite achievable though, (he didn't make mention of an emissions test which supprised me) so I'll have to see what he says on Wednesday.
2015/02/12 09:25:01
evobda2
It is the engine. If the engine was out of a 2010 car, its a 2010 engine.


2015/02/12 18:01:58
Nukem
Have a Zetec in my mk2 with twin jenvey TB, built in 1980 passed ADR27a getting sign off next week by engineer. Did take 8 hours of dyno time and 2 epa tests but finally got it passed. 
2015/02/12 23:42:28
Chuff
Nukem
Have a Zetec in my mk2 with twin jenvey TB, built in 1980 passed ADR27a getting sign off next week by engineer. Did take 8 hours of dyno time and 2 epa tests but finally got it passed. 




That pretty much hits the nail on the head.
 
You need to meet the ADR standards of the engine or vehicle body, whichever is later. At no point does the ADR state HOW and under what configuration of engine components need to be used. The crutch comes in proving ADR compliance, and that requires time and money in order to meet the standard(s) and prove you meet them. I note throughout the entire thread that no-one has mentioned just how much each of the EPA tests cost in order to prove you meet the required ADRs. Anything can be achieved if your pockets are deep enough.
 
Best option. Dedicated Liquid LPG Sequential Injection. But that's another discussion...
 
2015/02/13 07:44:37
Andrew
Chuff
Nukem
Have a Zetec in my mk2 with twin jenvey TB, built in 1980 passed ADR27a getting sign off next week by engineer. Did take 8 hours of dyno time and 2 epa tests but finally got it passed.



That pretty much hits the nail on the head.
 
You need to meet the ADR standards of the engine or vehicle body, whichever is later.



I'm not sure it does.. The car is a 1980 so ADR 27A applies either way. But according to everyone here (and common sense) he should have met emission standards of the engine, which would be far more onerous than just ADR27A.
 
I'm not disagreeing (I mean they said mine was ok with no test) but it seems to me its not as black and white as I was hoping.
 
 
2015/02/13 09:12:51
Gdub
Andrew, that isn't right when it comes to emissions.  The 'which ever is later applies'
2015/02/13 10:37:27
johnalbclark
hi Andrew,
bit of a weird request but i think the yellow 4 door RS2000 is my old car (if its got the fuel cap cut out and rs2000 sticker in the fire wall in engine bay) and i have lost all pics of it, obviously before the digital photo age. mate if you could i would love a few pics of the old girl. 

johnalbclark at gmail.com
 
cheers mate 
john 
2015/11/08 11:42:51
Paul Dunstan
Depending on the other mods you may require an engineers report regardless so it may be an idea to discuss with an engineer. I've learnt that no matter what you here or have been told it all comes down to the interpretation of the person you enlist in regards to the legal requirements. Speak to a few engineers and get it from the horses mouth.
2015/11/08 18:47:54
evobda2
Just on what EPA tests cost.. its different in each state.
As far as I'm aware in NSW theres a couple places where you can get them or free (Penrith, Botany RTA's). Other state like SA I've read someone being asked for thousands of dollars. So best check with local engineers and traffic authorities to what the local law/cost is.
2015/11/08 21:38:16

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