The Mk 1 Escort from hell! Australia's best?

looks good. but im not one for big chromies on any car. if the wheels were different i think i would love it

I too would have this escort parked in my garage ! Love the colour, that style of rim suits the lines of the car, possibly a bit too much dish on the rear but still looks the goods !

Aaron

Had been waiting for someone to put ROH Modenas on a escort remember seeing them in the flesh at Summernats years ago.

I'd have it as it sits.

Ben

I prefer the white,

To me the silver looks like a bad photoshop attempt with stupudily oversize rims.. not a fan.

Shaun

^^^^^^^I'm happy with your opinions[;^)] This means if the car ever came up for sale....and I had enough cash, I'd have two less chaps to fight for it over[88][88]

No seriously, I know it's a car that's an aquired taste....but as far as extreme road going versions of the mighty Mk 1 Escort, credit where credit is due......I think might be what we would call the ragged edge of insanity. I guess it if was a twin turbo V8....then it might be over the top

RJ

I like it. It looks like a life-size hotwheels

Nice! What's the spec's on this car? Driveline?

I like it alot !!!
maybe some different seats something smaller or just some re trimmed Sheals in it would look nice
be interesting to see his cossie project
meant to be as amazing

You'll see it soon in Classic Ford Mag![;^)]

RJ

P.S. - I think the only way of improving this car is to see it sideways under full power going around the outside of a Porsche at a track somewhere!

Here are a few pics I took of the silver one at the Small Ford Car Club Harrys pie night on the Monday after supernats. As you can see he has the metalic grey stripes now. Apparently this car is an everyday driver aswell.

joeyjonsey im with you on that atlewast this ahs some shine to it. its diffrent and not the same as every other escort out there. Every escort owner is to pure nothing wrong with modern parts on an old car.

Its good to see someone else stepping outside the square Im a fan[;^)]

i love it!! the only thing i would change would be the trim, but besides that i think it looks awesome

I like it. Wher did he get those wheels? what size are they? its so hard to find 4 bolt ford spaceing 4 x 108mm wheels in the bigger sizes. I am after a set of at least 8 or 9 by 18 any body help me with a dealer in OZ (thats not overthe top on there prices) that can supply them in 4 x 108mm.

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I like it. Wher did he get those wheels? what size are they? its so hard to find 4 bolt ford spaceing 4 x 108mm wheels in the bigger sizes. I am after a set of at least 8 or 9 by 18 any body help me with a dealer in OZ (thats not overthe top on there prices) that can supply them in 4 x 108mm.

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The wheels are ROH Modena's and they are a 3 peice wheel, much like Simmons wheels where they can custom order to any spec you want and because of that, they are pricey.

If you want a wheel like that in a 4x108 stud pattern, it gonna cost you, or you can change the bolt pattern to a ford 5 stud and then the options are out there.

Yep!!!! That thing is cruisn sweet st all day long!!!!

Unless there are people with imagination, things would get very boring..
Times move on and so does technology. I love it all, new style,old style or a mix of both!! Insides and outsides,Keeps things interesting for all enthusiasts...[^][^][^]

He really has F@%KED a good car....

Why go to all the expense of doing that to the body work and put an SR20 in it?? Did he run out of money??

Maybe we should all have superlites on our cars...

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I'm all for doing things a bit different but those wheels are just ridiculous.[V] They look what they are - an afterthought.
The seats also let it down. Baby sheite brown against silver - Sack the interior designer, they're obviously colour-blind.
what's the motor? Stirfry20?

You can talk all you like about japanese drift racing influences, but all I see is fat yorkshire slapper trying to sing karaoke while pizzed on saki. Where I come from the only oriental influences are rice pudding which comes in a can you buy from Tesco.

Australia's best???? More like Australia's 1/2 rrsed. I'm sure its tough getting a gig with Classic Ford, but please don't let this car represent Small Fords from Australia. It just re-inforces the myth that Aussies are a bunch of nut bags with very little respect for the Blue Oval heritage.

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Well said.. Those rims look terrible. I'm all for trying difefrent things and that, but they look shocking.

Sorry but I don't think its Australia's best.

Oh come on, give us a break will ya.

Do you really think this car is "different"? Do you expect us to believe that this is the first ever SR20 MK1 Escort? Or the first with Silver Paint? Or the first ever to have big wheels?

Its all been done before, so in your terms of reality this is just another car following an all too familiar trend -jap motor, slammed and on ridiculously oversized wheels for the model of car, just like every other car in Street Machine/Hot Fours/Fast Fours etc. etc. Folowing the same trend.

And as for engine conversions well I may have been around a lot longer than most of you becuase i haven't seen anything "different" in any conversion in years. 4 years ago was last time i saw something different when the first Duratec coversion was done. Anything else was old hat.

Having said that it does appear from the pics that this is a well built car with great finish and attention to detail - a credit to the owner for their vehicle building ability.

But like a few "game" others on here, i personally (in my honest opinion) would have liked it a lot more if it was on different rolling stock and powered by Ford.

GT

this truely is something else

i have been on a few of the UK forums, oldskoolford in particular and i find they r all very suportive of one anothers cars no matter what the modifications r.

i think that if someone from the UK jumped on this forum and saw the reaction to this car they would b horrified and i think that would b the only thing tarnishing our repuation!!!!

i don't think anyone has the right to be saying such stuff about the car, in particular the part about him running out of money. thats an absolute insult!!!

this car has been heavily modified and i agree not to everyone taste and to some extent not mine, but by saying that this car is an absolute credit to the owner and his ability to think outside the traditional views of a mk1 escort is an understatement.

i dont think you can be pushing about these kinds of cars from our forums or from out clubs as there r probably going to b more and more of them, this car and the mk2 on ebay r just a couple of examples, and they r the new thing, yeh theyre not traditional but at the end of the day they r still the cars we love and we should b seeing more about what goes into the work of them rather than just looking at hte size of the wheels and what motor is under the bonnet

an absolute credit to u bud, its a beautiful car and very well done. i personally look forward to ure next item ... it mite b a bit more accepted here ... HOLD ONTO YOUR HATS GUYS ITS GOT A COSSIE !!!

Yes...its just not cricket is it[V]

Its a great car with great workmanship and personal flair...and goes like stink

After building a highly modified car myself that is quite possibly one of the purest blueblooded of highly modded Small Fords in the country(Ford Engine,Gearbox,Clutch,Diff,Tailshaft,Suspension,etc)I'm happy to put my hand up and say I'd defianately own this car if I was in a position too[:p]

If its purety your after then the next installment will definately comply...Fresh B&H GrpA Cossie powered but understandable if George now doesnt feel like sharing...

Praise in public...persecute in private[;^)]

Not to be confused with tall poppy syndrome in some cases[;^)]

Sorry guys...Im not a fan of bagging someone's personal achievements in public...not even in private I think we are treading a fine line here.

Different opinions are good for us...it just depends on how they are delivered as to whether they are effective or not[%]

Nice car but was dissapointed with the transplant option.
2.5lt Duratec would have been tough and different. I know you get plenty of power from the SR but they are starting to get like @rseholes, everyone has one.

Obviously the guys likes old school and new school.

Gonna go ahead and say this has taken IMB05S's place as my favourite Escort.

If my project ended up even half as good as that I'd be happy. :)

I second that scortfreak. There is too much elitism about having a Cosworth powered car on this forum. Some of my friends(They know who they are). do not look down their nose at George's car just because he runs an SR20. The man has a 360 Mondial sitting in his garage at home and he would rather drive his MK1 with an SR20. Speaks volumes to me. Still beats a MK2 with a weazey N/A engine.

Thats a nice car!!! come on give him some credit!! i hate sr20's too but i haven't seen a pic of under the hood yet!!
just pretend its got a fuel injected pinto!! [:x)]

I like it!!

hope he had air con and power steering added??? he did everything else
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I prefer the white,

To me the silver looks like a bad photoshop attempt with stupudily oversize rims.. not a fan.

Shaun

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This was my opinion from the first photo, without the RS stripes. I stand by that as the photo doesn't do the car justice. It almost looks false sitting there, a lack of shading evident and huge wheels screams photoshop.

In the next set of photos, with the rs stripes, I thought 'now that's more like it, the car looks great, awesome finish', however i still thought the wheels didn't sit right'.

For me, that's fine, everyone has different tastes and thats ok. I dont mind that it has an SR20DET... I'm all for differnt power plants and engine choices etc. Hey, we mod everything else, suspension, discs, callipers shockers gearboxes, rims and tyres, seats are often not as ford intended, so why stop at the engine??

I'm the first one to think outside the box... I think my hybrid mitsu/pinto project shows that

I appreciate the many hours of time, money and research that goes into a car like this. I would be over it like a rash at a car show, examining all the work that has gone into it.

But that does mean I have to love it .......

nor does it mean that I think all cars must be on minilites and webers or cosworth power...... what a boring world that would be


Shaun

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my view on the car is, there to hard to get and to rare to just go cut up and put massive rims and engines

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but not too rare to rally ?

well said neale !!!

i strongly agree that we can not b pushing these cars away nor the people that own them because as a perfect example there is another car in the pipeline and it will defiently b as superb as this one.

if it was me and i saw all this garbage written about my car simply because of the engine selection and the size of the wheels there is no way i would b coming back on here nor would i b showing anythign else i had.

im sure these wheels would b 19s and i think the width has alot to do with the oversize look of it but keep in mind phil has just pushed 18s on his car and it looks awesome !!! wats an inch in the scheme of things.

anyway ... we need to not look at labels and sizes and b looking at the car for wats gone into it!!! theres not many mk1s around these days and certainly not alot modified like this one we should be appreciating it

enjoy it!!!

I think the owner achieved what his set out to achive which is get everyone to look/talk about it weither it be in a good or bad way.

in my eyes anyone that spends a crap load of time and money on car of there choice, doesnt matter what they've done to it as you learn to respect it. As iam sure majority of people on here along with me know how much blood ,sweet, tears, enjoyment,anger etc that a car puts you through during the build, but at the end of the day its your car and its the way you've pictured it.

As for being different i think thats almost impossible as nearly every "realistic" engine conversion has been done to any small 4cyl car, but you build a car to suit your likings not anyone elses. Isnt that the whole idea/reason behind building a car?

I know that some people may not agree with putting jap engines in old cars but when you think about it isnt a cosworth, duratech, zetech, etc pretty much a uk veriosn of jap sepc engines? use will probably all turn around and say but there all ford engine and escort come for the uk along with thoes sort of engines, but to me its pretty much along the same lines.

I like both jap, oldschool, new school cars etc, but i decided to go jap as i like the both of both worlds.Yes its an FJ20, yes its been done befor but it hasnt been done the way i want it.

thats how i see it all anyway but nice car give or take a few things.

cheers

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my view on the car is, there to hard to get and to rare to just go cut up and put massive rims and engines

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lol my cars far from a rally car mk2 4 door 1300 xl used for motorkhana and khanacross double sway bars and 5 leaf rear springs for slides oh and a hydraulic hand brake basicly still a stock car could put it back on the road if i took the handbrake out

The notion of 'if you dont have anything nice to say dont say anything' should be left at primary school where it belongs. The owner of this vehicle knows exactly the controversy a car like this brings to the small ford community, and i think he himself would be surprised if there werent two opposing opinions.

If the owner of this vehicle didn't want his car criticised, he should just leave it in his shed. But im sure he has much thicker skin than that. There are way more positives than negatives in this thread.

This is a public forum and i sure want to hear if someone doesnt like my car or any other. If i wasn't prepared to hear opinions (good and bad) then i wouldn't be posting images or a build thread here.

The wording of a few posts could have been better, but no one is discrediting the effort or detail in this car. But people being called a sheep for not automatically liking this car...

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Originally posted by SCOOP

Wont ever see me or my car at any classic ford get togethers[:(!],
Oviously to many narrow minded and disrespectful people to please...
How dare people have there own ambitions!! "Freedom of speech" and "disrespect"[B)] are two diferent things to Me, But maybe Im old school??? Thought this was a pretty cool forum when I first joined...

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A little dramatic don't you think? There are over 1000 members of this forum... I hardly think the opinion of a handful of members can be viewed as the voice of the forum!
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But Sean, the majority of the negative comments come from members who should know better and have been around this forum for a while.

Scoop, I agree with what you're saying but don't hide you're masterpeice from the public because of a few people who are armchair car builders, they know how to build the ultimate Escort/Cortina but you never see them completed/started.

You build or "do up" a car to your specs not to their specs, if people said the same things about Phil's Cortina there would be riot on this forum and Phil would not what to share his build with us.

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The notion of 'if you dont have anything nice to say dont say anything' should be left at primary school where it belong...i follow your project post with great interest~your another guy from vic chucking a cossie in a MkI simple as that,but i hate fibreglas & fink it should be left for the ricers!i dont go off typing: "why are u using those guards..did you run out of money"or"fibre glass guards thats half arsed!"just because thats my opinion,i wouldn't do that out of respect! its your car and your decission!


This is a public forum and i sure want to hear if someone doesnt like my car or any other. If i wasn't prepared to hear opinions (good and bad) then i wouldn't be posting images or a build thread here...so because this is public forum and people post threads and images it makes them automaticly open to have their pride and joy criticised??.. Joe blogs who loves his poverty pack 4 door bitsa wif a powerhouse weezy clapped out kent and has post pics & details on his thread,Do we hammer him and tell him its a POS and what he should do with it!
..NO! then why bag someone else who has put in more money and effort??..or has this car got a few people jealous??

What i'm trying to say is if you want to keep people joining and staying on this great forum keep the BS to our self! you dont like a car and haven't got anything constructive to type click "back" and ignore thread and let the rest of us pat he/she on their backs for their efforts

omg cant believe how good it looks in white with those rims!!! shows what a coat of paint and set of wheels can do!

I've just read this lot of drivel.....man haven't you guys got cars to go and work on.

I'm with Danny M.

I don't like it but I can admire the work gone into it. For that he gets a thumbs up but it's not the best mk1 in the country good yes the best no.

The journo in question seems to take great delight in putting together articles about cars the have jap engines in them whihc in my opinion makes us look liike we can't build cars with blue oval power in them. He should be representing the world of Small fords down here better than he does.

There's nothing "new" in the world of small fords. Hasn't been for many years. I challenge anyone to show me a car that is truly innovative in the street scene.

To each his own and that includes opinions. They're just like bumholes everybody has one and not all of them are fit for the wider world.........

Interesting to note that when this car...

http://classic-ford.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=19422

...appeared on a thread in this forum there was no where near the emotion outpoured against the negative comments it received?

But to move on from this thread maybe we could have a new thread (or several) on topics that can be debated until the cows come home without singling out a particular persons car.

For example -

a) Wheel sizes on classic Fords - is bigger better?
b) We fought them in the war, but hey don't they make a great engines for classic Fords? Jap conversions vs. Blue oval.
c) Is Classic Ford mag going downhill?
d) Old skool vs. new skool - which is best?

Just an idea.

And i couldn't agree more with Mk1_Jet & nigel mk1 - i think there is a lesson for all of us to learn about how we word any post on the forum, myself included.

GT

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The same old rhetoric,

Personally its not down my alley, and thats fine, Im not about to start bagging on someone elses car.

And the same goes for mine, Im sure there are the same that think its a waste of effort all powered by rice, but hey.. Its being built by me for me.

Somehow I think that the inital excitement and wording of the first post has more so impacted on peoples reactions. Im still trying to find the Japanese drift influences there???

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Spot on Glenn.

My sentiments exactly and each to their own regarding the way in which they invisage their project. Expression and attention to detail is great even if not to everyone's taste.

This would be a revelation in Classic Ford where the usual rolling stock is a 13x7 with a 185/45 stretched over them [:u]

Either way it's a fine interprtation of a Mk1 Escort.

PS The BP, Duratec etc are actually a Jap derived engine are they not - but it seems fine to jamb one of these in an Escort but not an SR????

Give a man a PHAT

I can't believe how offended people are getting by this car. It's pretty funny.

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To all of the purists bagging this car out, you do realise that the only difference between this and your regular forest arched MK1 (body wise) is the height at the back and the wheels, so it could be worse, the owner could have hacked the sh!t out of it. Everything he's done can be reversed. Get over it.

So it's not Modena Green or Monza Red. Get over it.

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.....YEAH RIGHT!

Just caught up on everything I missed! First up.....I'm the 'Journo in Question' and for the record I actively seek out different types of 'Classic Fords' to what is normally covered in the UK side of things.

For the record.....we (Australia) have led the way in showcasing and influencing the UK Classic Ford scene with Jap engine conversions into Escorts and Cortina's......a fact I am proud to be apart of. Our engineering skills and true blue euntrpaunalism (spelling?)is a trade mark of being an Australian.

Please do not confuse my enthusiasim for Jap engined Classic Fords as the be all and end all of my interest in the scene. I speak reguarly with the Editor of the magazine (we have been personal friends for nearly 10 years now - man I'm old!) and I am always mining him for specific vehicle requests.

Now and then I throw him a curveball, like this Mk 1, and in the past I have covered the following 'alternative' styled vehicles;

1 - Jules Mk 1 Cortina (CA18 Turbo)
2 - Stanley's Mk 2 Cortina (13B Turbo - 600hp!)
3 - Mk 2 Escort RS2000 Zetec
4 - Brenton's Rat Rod Mk 1 Cortina
5 - 351 Clev V8 Zodiac
6 - Ex-Works Australian rally Escort (thought to be lost)
7 - Sr20 Turbo 105E Anglia

....and this list from the last 8 years goes on and on. I have and always will maintain a very specific style of feature when I do something for Classic Ford....and that is to showcase OUR style...and our building techniques. Please understand that I am not adverse to 'traditional' styled Classic Fords, as this list of past features goes to show;

1 - Crossflow powered 105E Anglia circuit racer
2 - Crossflow powered Mk 2 Cortina street racer
3 - SA Dyno Day feature (not one Jap engined car!)
4 - NSW Ford cruise event
5 - TF Cortina 4.1L Drag Car
6 - 2L Pinto EFi engine Mk 1 Escort
7 - Crossflow powered Mk 2 Sedan show car
....and who could forget[;^)]
8 - Mk 1 Cortina Cossie powered Wunderwagon!

I guess when I saw this particular Mk 1 Escort I was taken back by the workmanship, and imagination that had gone into it. I like many of you live and breath cars.....not always Classic Fords. I see many many vehicles that are feature worthy, but no every car will make the Editors cut.

From a 12-month period you will usually see 4-5 Aussie feature cars.....so in the total time I have been writing for the magazine I have probably only ever shed light on 40 odd cars here in Australia - hence the reason why I like shows/events.....I get to show more of your cars!

Look my work is always up for criticism....and I always take feedback and learn from it. Now here's the bit of this post you should read - Did anyone notice that in this thread title I put a ? at the end!!! I wasn't making a statement - I was throwing it open for discussion.

Look as many many of people have reiterated....horses for courses....but there is no denying that this type of car...as in teh style it's modified in, is PURELY AN AustraliaN THING. I say we should embrace and be proud of what makes our scene unique and diverse. I for one will never build a car like this, but man I sure can pitch a tent in my pants at the sheer brilliance of the build.

Before I go....and just to add some fuel to the fire....here's some of the 'Alternative' cars I have in my 'to be featured' stash;





You all know this one.....I'll get it featured one day when the owner is ready!



4AGZE (Supercharged one!) Mk 1 Cortina Lotus replica



Clevo RS2000 Sports Sedan.....say no more

.....and finally, one that will keep this thread going for a while[;^)]





...Yes, your eye's are not deceiving you...it's a Tractor pull Escort Mk 1 windowless Panel van!

Cheers

Racin Jason

P.S. - Thanks to everyone who has posted and taken part in this thread. Healthy robust discussions keep the evolution of our scene ticking along!

P.S.S - Before I forget, I am also going to do the 'Aussie Only' feature on Australian specific Classic Fords....and am supposed to be doing it out of NSW, so if anyone see's Roy....TELL HIM TO EMAIL ME - the lazy bugger!

P.S.S.S - If you want your car featured in Classic Ford UK.....put it in the Showroom on this forum, as I'm always checking in and seeing what's new, so please show us your goods!

Well Said Jason

Shaun

[:u]vauxhall XE [:u]

surely not thats a Holden/GM engine here [:u]

ive noticed on a lot of UK forums that they are using the 'jap' engine

on conversions more and more now

CA18s and Mazda mx5 engines for example

in fact a MK1 cortina powered by a ca18 is in the running for car of the year in classic ford magazine (UK)

...hey Jules.....do you think your feature had anything to do with the rise in the popularity of Jap engines in the uk???????

I think you have a lot to answer for young lady.....now go to your garage and stay there for a month![88]

RJ

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...hey Jules.....do you think your feature had anything to do with the rise in the popularity of Jap engines in the uk???????

I think you have a lot to answer for young lady.....now go to your garage and stay there for a month![88]

RJ

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no i dont think so jas.
i think they just looked at other options that could be used
to be 'different'

as for going to the garage for a month...yea i really need to be there concentrating on work on the new project(s)

wats wrong with half of u? i jus read the whole thread and u's r kidding ur self...
that mk1 is an awsum car... and the guy has obiviously spent alot of time and money... its clean and looks good doesnt have a hektic autosalon paintjob with airbrushing all over it or discusting chrome wheels which dont belong on any car...

so putting an sr in it is running out of money?
not every 1 can afford to source and build a cosworth... dont get me wrong i love cosworths...
y not put an sr in it? sure its not that different but there cheap to buy get parts easy and cheap and still make 400rwhp with ease and still be driveable and reliable...

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IFyou can get some of the guys with cosworth conversions to tell you the truth, some will tell you that if they could do it all again they would choose the SR20DET. It's cheaper to do overall, parts are everywhere & can belt out a poo poo load of power.

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What a load of cr@p [V]

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IFyou can get some of the guys with cosworth conversions to tell you the truth, some will tell you that if they could do it all again they would choose the SR20DET. It's cheaper to do overall, parts are everywhere & can belt out a poo poo load of power.

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EEEEERRRRRRRRRRRTTTT wrong[xx(] i wouldn't if i could do it all again it be a werked ls1[}:)]

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Yeh there is nothing quite like the sound of a worked LS1 rattling its gudgeon pins on a cold quiet morning [88]

Sorry its gota be pure ford for me [;^)]

Never on this forum have a read as much rubbish as i have in this thread over the last week.

Cheaper? What an absolute toss. Horsepower, no matter which engine you use will cost money and lots of it. No matter what the initial purchase price, the cost of parts, doing the work yourself or paying someone else - at the end when it is all finished (if it ever is) the final cost will be be comparable from one type to another.

The only thing that ends up cheaper in the end is the resale value of your vehicle - because those prospective purchasers who are out there in the market and are cashed up enough to pay the big dollars aren't interested in mixed-brand classics.

I stand to be corrected and i am sure this will send a few of you rushing to prove me wrong but i have never seen a bitsa classic Ford reach its original listed price or even beat it. They always end up discounted.

And DIFFERENT, really? There is a Old Skool Lambo in Melbourne that has just been converted to electric drive - yep thats right pull out that lovely old classic V12 engine and stuff it full of phone batteries and an electric motor.

Now that is different, but to me it is and always will be absolute sacrilege.

This mk1 Escort is a beautiful car and the owner has done a great job!

For me (i have done the cosworth conversion!) it looks a hell of a lot easier than doing an sr conversion! everthing matches being ford and i would never put an sr20det in any of my cars!! EVER... sorry

once you have tasted cosworth power.... you wouldn't look at the Jap engines... if you were looking at a better engine you would be going something euro and well built [:u][:x)]not something thrown together and requiring a full rebuild to belt out more power than a cossie stage 3 chip on a standard engine!

You say the main factor is cosworth parts and the prices if you do your research the parts are pretty much the same, and you can track them down easily!!. Just because Autobarn and Supercheap auto stock the parts doesnt make the sr20 better than a cossie... and a worked sr20det is not cheaper than a cossie!! talk it up as much as you like. if you want big power out of a sr20 you have to spend money! and lots of it too! just like a cosworth!

I know cosworth conversions have been done over and over... but there is a reason for that! the sr20 conversion has been done over and over because of convienience nothing else... IN MY opinion! Most people who do sr20 conversions always tell you... its because i couldnt find a cossie [:u][88] you all know it [:I]

I reckon if Phil added up the cost of his car Vs the Cost of this mk1 sr it would be very similar! (VERY EXPENSIVE!!!) BOTH CARS are a credit to the builders!Well done building a great car Phil!! and this mk1 escort is pretty awesome too...even if it has a sr20 in it

JUST MY OPINION!

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The escort in question isn't my cup of tea. I think the rims are just a little over the top and given the choice I wouldn't buy the car.

The bloke I bought my Mk1 4 door off has found himself another Mk1 2 door and he's planning to put a Commodore V6 into it with a fibreglass tilt front. Not my cup of tea either but good luck to him.

The thing that I like most about owning/restoring/modifying/playing with an old Ford is that it's my car and I can do what the wife let's me do with it.

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Geetee,

Thats what i was trying to say [:I][;^)][%]

....I think the whole what's cheaper argument is a waste of time really. How can a call be made on the assumption of another person's disposable income?

I think the deal is not price, but rather personal choice. The owner of the Mk 1 obviously could afford a Cossie....but didn't. I'd hazard a guess by saying the owner of this particular car could probably afford to put what ever the hell he wanted between the shock towers. Right or wrong....his names on the ownership papers, so what ever is said here means four tenths of F%$k all.

It's like having a got a mate for liking fat chicks. Most of us disagree with the decision, some of us have probably tried it, but in the end it's his funeral. Personal choice.....one of the last freedoms we enjoy these days.

I like it because it is different.....and I qualify it by asking anyone to show me a similar car....as in same engine, same paint style, same rim style, same interior style etc etc etc.

Like I said.....it's different, and that's why we are all having our 2cents worth.....imagine the response it's going to get in the magazine![;^)]

RJ

And while Danny seemed to pull the pin on hand grenade before throwing it into this thread and then quietly leaving it to rage along without him he did make a good point about Classic Ford magazine.

These days it seems that it is a lot less "Classic" and not very "Ford".

I have to agree with that, SR20's aren't very classic and clearly not ford so what they are doing in classic ford mag is beyond me. But im not the editor so eh...

I dont have a problem with any engine conversions, people can do what they like. What i dont like is those people that do the conversion and then are like "My escort has x much power and i only spent $Y. Yous have 1/2x power and you spent $Yx3. You should have done this conversion"

Maybe that person didn't want to do the conversion cause his vision of his car wasn't that. And yes your car might be faster but racing has class's. An SR20 escort would be in a different class than one with a bog stock 2L.

Personly i don't like this Mk1 i think the wheels are horrid and the engine doesn't belong. If it was for sale and i had the money just lying around i wouldn't buy it.

Well unless i am totally confused or have had my head stuck up my arse my i could have sworn that that -

a) the Rover V8
b) Mazda rotary
c) Toyota twin cam
d) Nissan SR20
e) Vauxhaul XE 2.0
f) Fiat Twin Cam
g) Honda S2000
h) etc. etc. etc. (insert non Ford engine here)

Are not FORD! Not even the part-FORD owned Mazda ****el. And let's not even bother getting into Subaru Impreza running gear.

Yet they all seem to feature in a FORD magazine a hell of a lot.

Maybe a name change to

Classic Half Ford
Classic Fords powered by whatever you had under the bench in your shed
Classic Fords being different
Classic Bitsa
Crassic Frord (Jap version)

I am sure you could all use your imagination and come up with some really great new names.

I wouldn't be suprised to see it on the cover...which would be a great thing for the Australian Classic/Small Ford scene Unfortunately the UK is full of cars all done the same way...my car didn't get featured for 18 months after the photoshoot and article were submitted because they had just featured Rob Hibbards blue Cossie powered Mk1 Cortina, and it was and possibly still is the only Cossie turbo powered Mk1 in Australia. Classic Ford is a UK magazine for UK readers(offshore readers are only a very small part of their market), these cars with their unique crossbred mods are considered interesting in the UK and sell magazines...hence their cover appearances[;^)]

I know this old guy thats into classic fords, owns a GT MK1 cortina. He will not read any of the mags Classic ford and others like it. Says with all the jap engine conversions its not to his liking. "would be like picking up a playboy with a hot chick on the cover just to open the mag and find its a dude!"

lol.

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Originally posted by Mr Mk2




.... Just like the orange cortina with the SR20 in it on the last cover of CF I can see why this Mk1 gets a lot of attention....

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if the car you are talking about is the 64 4 door of 'Dave Gardners'

who is in the running for classic ford of the year

its actually powered by a CA18 not a sr20

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My mistake , it was the one with Mark's RS cake in it. I was too busy looking at my ugly mug in the wingspan meet pictures. A few blurred pixels of ink sitting on Dave's Mk2 Harrier for the group shot.

Phil hit the nail on the head as well i think.

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Originally posted by geetee

Well unless i am totally confused or have had my head stuck up my arse my i could have sworn that that -

a) the Rover V8
b) Mazda rotary
c) Toyota twin cam
d) Nissan SR20
e) Vauxhaul XE 2.0
f) Fiat Twin Cam
g) Honda S2000
h) etc. etc. etc. (insert non Ford engine here)

Are not FORD! Not even the part-FORD owned Mazda ****el. And let's not even bother getting into Subaru Impreza running gear.

Yet they all seem to feature in a FORD magazine a hell of a lot.

Maybe a name change to

Classic Half Ford
Classic Fords powered by whatever you had under the bench in your shed
Classic Fords being different
Classic Bitsa
Crassic Frord (Jap version)

I am sure you could all use your imagination and come up with some really great new names.

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Touche[^]

RJ....Don't take it personally. I appreciate what a tough job yours, is.
Most poms still think all aussies are a bunch of wacko, beer swilling, cork hat wearing, didgeridoo playing, "Settle down, luv. Its just a wollabee." type characters who fix things with barbed wire. I'm sure the editors of Classic Ford expect this sort of thing from down under. You are just giving them what they want and good on you for trying.
Unfortunately, it ain't what I want to read about, personally. Having said that, I'll keep throwing $16.95 into your hat each month instead of saving for a blow-off valve and a 15 inch Autometer tacho.
P.S. I have no ideas what a blow-off valve is but I'm told I need one by the 8 year old who live next door.
P.P.S Just quietly, I think the kid's not the full quid.[x2x]

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LOL, That's Classic about the kid. They think all cars need a blow off valve. That sound of pressure being released must hit a nerve with the kids.. Maybe it's when you grow older you start to appreciate the noise of induction or screamin along at 6500RPM [:x)]

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Originally posted by tybrown

This mk1 Escort is a beautiful car and the owner has done a great job!

For me (i have done the cosworth conversion!) it looks a hell of a lot easier than doing an sr conversion! everthing matches being ford and i would never put an sr20det in any of my cars!! EVER... sorry

once you have tasted cosworth power.... you wouldn't look at the Jap engines... if you were looking at a better engine you would be going something euro and well built [:u][:x)]not something thrown together and requiring a full rebuild to belt out more power than a cossie stage 3 chip on a standard engine!

You say the main factor is cosworth parts and the prices if you do your research the parts are pretty much the same, and you can track them down easily!!. Just because Autobarn and Supercheap auto stock the parts doesnt make the sr20 better than a cossie... and a worked sr20det is not cheaper than a cossie!! talk it up as much as you like. if you want big power out of a sr20 you have to spend money! and lots of it too! just like a cosworth!

I know cosworth conversions have been done over and over... but there is a reason for that! the sr20 conversion has been done over and over because of convienience nothing else... IN MY opinion! Most people who do sr20 conversions always tell you... its because i couldnt find a cossie [:u][88] you all know it [:I]

I reckon if Phil added up the cost of his car Vs the Cost of this mk1 sr it would be very similar! (VERY EXPENSIVE!!!) BOTH CARS are a credit to the builders!Well done building a great car Phil!! and this mk1 escort is pretty awesome too...even if it has a sr20 in it

JUST MY OPINION!

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thats funny cause its true about the cost of fitting an SR to buying a cosworth in the end it will roughly work out the same price as it has cost me for the engine, getting it fitted and all manifolds, sump etc ive wrked out that its cost about the same if not more then a cosworth the way it sits know, plus ive got the cost of the engine build on top of that aswell.

but i would never go an sr cause ever man and his dog has got one, and cosworths are pretty popular so thats why i decide to go FJ, FJ's love the boost just as much as cosworths do so hopefuly be looking at simular power to cosworths. fingers crossed

cheers

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Lots of talk about how much this and how much that....and lots of mentions of Philthy Phil and his Mk 1.....so

Maybe to settle the argument of which is 'best' - Ford or Jap.....a little 'speed' test should be arranged? Phil you keen once your finished fitting those NASA spec heater cores?

RJ

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I would take holidays and travel to see that! [:x)]

Its already arranged[;^)] Last time I saw George we said we'd head out to WSID for a run together once my car is finished Our club has another track day booked for April so hopefully I can get my car ready for that too[:p]

WOW ! this thread certainly went south......... waaaay south.

**** guys. I cant belive the beaching..... its to the point where im not sure what the argument is about LOL

As for the escort... its a bloody sweet car and looks mental. For me the rims are too big and like mentioned before the interior is the wrong colour ......... but who am i to winge about it.. Its not my car and i would usually never even mention this and just keep that as my personal opinion.
Im sure the guy who built it loves it the way it is and as far as im concerned thats all the counts.
The engineering and fabrication involved in setting something like that up is ten fold on just a std style run of the mill car........ thats the part that i pay to see in the magazines. Weather or not that style of car is featured in classic ford magazine or no is not my call buy im only too happy to buy the magazine with that sort of car featured in it!

Keep doin what your doin jason... I like it.

This is amazing.
We sit at home a type what our thoughts are. We don't know what others will think as they are just thoughts. Opinions on the other hand, different story they come with experience, taste and can even be brought.
Next....

I know some of the people who have posted in this thread. I know their opinions and how they respect everybody's cars. Sometimes it just seems to be lost in translation.
Next....

The car in question...Australia's best escort from Hell?
Australia's best what....Escort, probably not, there is always something better.
Australia's best car from hell.....Well that's not a claim anyone can back up, thats just being silly...

On a more serious side how can you tell from the few photo's displayed here?
I envy those who have seen it in the flesh as they have there own facts about the car to back it up.

The next car show...Small Ford Sunday February 7th, Bundoorah Park Victoria, Australia's biggest Small Ford show. Bring the car along let the masses get good look at it.
Jason, turn up, you might like it or find somthing better.

Simon.

well said mate. I couldnt agree more!

BTW> That mini looks awesome.

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Guys, please steer clear off the personal stuff, it never ends well

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I take it that's why the thought police didn't allow critique of the "journalist" and his protrayal of the scene out here.
If he can't stand the criticism he shouldn't purport to be representative of the scene and it's members.

Not happy Phil........[V]

I still stand by my opinion that the call is wrong of it being the best but having said that can still appreciate the work undertaken.

The only MK1 from hell has a 351 V8 in it.
Anything else just has a cold.

There are just not enough Datto Stanza's around!

I have a mate with a SR20T Datto, it is freaky fast for a basic stock engine with twice the boost from standard.

I have never even sat in a Cosworth powered car, so i can't compare. hey TY.

The MK1 in question looked much better in the first picture without the decals down the side.

Looks like you can make a purse out of a pigs ear.

Im sorry i cant hold out any longer
id like to say that i LIKE THE CAR in the first pic and post
id o not care that you like it or not but at the same time worry about the mag it is going to go into or what engine
what i want to say is
PUT YOUR MONEY WHERE YOUR MOUTH IS
if you like it and its your car do what you like
sorry if i pee you off but hey after all do what you want to your own car,who cares what the others say

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Originally posted by racin jason

I'm a big boy and can take criticism about work I do....after I have been doing it for over 9 years now.

Remember....we're in 2009, not 1973. let's save what we can.....and enjoy them as much as possible.

RJ

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I wouldn't worry about running out of Classic Fords if i were you, Zoom will take you on in a heart beat[:x)]

They are some bloody nice pics mate and a nice lookin car, as Longboy said nothin beats driving you car along the road and people at a set of lights giving you the thumbs up or stoping you in the carpark just to give you a bit of a chat of when the used to own one. always put a smile on my face.

aslong as your enjoying what youve brought/built got, thats the main thing.

Found a better one [88]

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ford-escort-mk2-13b-turbo-mazda-rx3-rx2-rx4-rx7-r100_W0QQitemZ320451076558QQcmdZViewItemQQptZAU_Cars?hash=item4a9c5f61ce

Hey I just wanta see more pics of the origonal escort, any more intreior or engine bay prehaps?

It isn't very often something like this passes you in the street ! Up the streeters

Love all the cars shown in this section, maybe they aren't everyones cup of tea. But not sure about other states, these cars are getting rare, especially good examples of them. I'd rather see one modified and restored than sitting in someones paddock collecting rust.

Massive effort on the behalf of the owners, that has to be congratulated without a doubt ... keep up the good work !!! my 2cents anyway


"variety is the spice of life"

As I have said in the past....I accept comments about the subject matter.....but not when they stray to me personally. It's kind like me **** canning you for being involved with Formula Ford open wheelers. I mean I could....there's a few reasons why I could personally.....but that's not what this thread is about.

You crossed the line in this thread.....moving away from the topical Mk 1 Escort.....on put the spotlight onto me, infact your last post is a great example of again how the car is now not the topic.....but me being lame in some so called column is.

Say what you will, make point after point (which I do read)....but the bottom line is;

You think this way

And not everyone agree's

Some sit on the fence

Others don't give a toss either way

I am an enthusiast.....and I am privledged enough to write for Classic Ford Magazine.....and I do not need to 'face show' at events thousands of km's from my home to prove my enthusiasim....not to you, nor anyone else on this forum.

And rightly so.....no one else needs to do that either.

Throughout your posts you use the term 'we' alot.....and I can only assume you are using that term to lend weight to your points. I think it's fair to say the 'forum' has heard all the points, made up it's own mind and will continue to debate and discuss the topic at hand. Please stop drawing the 'us and them' line in the sand by using the term 'we' in your posts.

Whether you like it or not Derek.....you, me, the owner of this Mk 1 Escort and every one else (let's call them 'We'[;^)]) logged on to this forum has in common is that we like/love Classic Fords. We have different depths of involvement.....we have different budgetary constraints.....and we are involved in different ways.

In the end....when you strip away the 'he said - she said' crap......we're all just a bunch of blue oval lovers.....and I don't have one iota of a problem with that......in fact I think it's pretty damn good.

There is no right and or wrong in this discussion. I accept your points and that of everyone who doesn't like the car....but can appreciate it's owners efforts. On that basis, I think it's a Classic Ford topic for the ages......until the Carbon emission scheme gets up and petrol cars are branded outlaws.....then were are all FU(&ED.....no matter what engine we have!

RJ

P.S. - Wasn't I supposed to have stopped posting on this forum?[88]

It does sound like a new topic is needed There are alot of passionate points there but this topic no longer matches the title, its best that we shut it down