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zetec into mk2 escort ,legal SA?
Does anyone know if i can do a zetec conversion on my mk2 escort legally in SA through regency park. I don't want to start purchasing items and starting the conversion if a am going to get defected off the road by the pol*ice. Has anyone done it before in SA?
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RE: zetec into mk2 escort ,legal SA?
2010/09/27 22:31:30
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Hi Paul
I don't think it has been done but I'm on the way with mine. Many similar conversiions have been successful and this is no different as long as it's done correctly.
Best speak to an engineer to get the guidelines on what you need to satisfy prior to getting in too far. At the end of the day it's mostly common sense moreso than legislation but it pays to get the opinions from the professionals.
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RE: zetec into mk2 escort ,legal SA?
2010/09/27 22:44:07
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I am going to try to speak to a engineer but i think they are expensive in SA. Going to submit the modification forms to reg park in the next few days and see what they have to say about it before i start.
Thanks for the reply Paul.
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RE: zetec into mk2 escort ,legal SA?
2010/09/28 09:34:35
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You can do an initial free consult with most automotive engineers.
I went to Tonkins @ Wayville and discussed my original concept prior and also applying through Transport SA.
To be honest applying to the authorities is useless as all it states is that they agree in principle - you will need engineering approval etc. You also only have a number of years (4 years?) to complete the project for inspection or you'll need to re-apply. Mine ran out a LOOOONG time ago!
Enquire with an engineer first as they're the ones that Transport SA will need to sign off the mods regardless. They just basically register the thing with the mods.
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RE: zetec into mk2 escort ,legal SA?
2010/09/28 18:25:33
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Paul D
I spoke to a tonkins engineer today. He said that i should be alright to get through regency without engineering as long as i keep the standard injection and ecu on the motor,yuk. Also to upgrade the brakes, i have the pedal box almost in. However i am doubtful about getting through inspection. The authorities may make me do the brake track testing thing with an engineer, if not the whole the conversion. Anyways i'll put the mod forms in and see what they want me to do. I will let you know what happens if you want. I am getting the motor 2morrow anyways
Thanks Paul
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RE: zetec into mk2 escort ,legal SA?
2010/09/28 22:51:59
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Hi Paul,
I had to go through an inspection after a defect. At the time I had the UPC big brake kit on the front and 200sx rear disc conversion and an adjustable pedal box. I removed the rear discs and went back to drums, and removed remote adjuster but retained the rest and I got caught up on the feed lines from fluid pots to m/c's not being ADR approved. I argued the point that they only need to be ADR approved if under pressure and got it passed.
Rhys
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RE: zetec into mk2 escort ,legal SA?
2010/09/28 23:55:56
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Paul D
I spoke to a tonkins engineer today. He said that i should be alright to get through regency without engineering as long as i keep the standard injection and ecu on the motor,yuk. Also to upgrade the brakes, i have the pedal box almost in. However i am doubtful about getting through inspection. The authorities may make me do the brake track testing thing with an engineer, if not the whole the conversion. Anyways i'll put the mod forms in and see what they want me to do. I will let you know what happens if you want. I am getting the motor 2morrow anyways
That's good news. Yes, if playing with brakes it's best to get some professional opinions etc just to keep it all legal. At the end of the day if you're going through the hassle of a conversion you might as well do it properly. What engine - Silvertop or Blacktop? I'm keeping all the OEM gear to satisfy the regulators - see here http://classic-ford.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=9134&whichpage=13
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RE: zetec into mk2 escort ,legal SA?
2010/09/29 19:03:17
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I found out that i have to keep the Original Engine Management (ECU,Injection) on the blacktop to get through inspection without engineering certs. Otherwise its at least a $500 DTEI emission test in the Lab pass or fail. And then there is the extra bhp that will be gained by aftermarket throttle bodies that they will want to be engineered cert. Turb Tune at Edwardstown will hook the original ecu,injection up for me no worries. So i plan to get the zetec engine mod through inspection first then apply for the emission test later when i put throttle bodies on. Its a pain but seems the only way to get through regency without spending mega bucks on engineering.
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RE: zetec into mk2 escort ,legal SA?
2010/09/29 22:16:26
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You will not be able to retain the factory Escort brake booster etc when using the OEM Zetec manifold that is required to be used with the original ECU.
Playing with brakes means engineering [:(!]
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RE: zetec into mk2 escort ,legal SA?
2010/09/29 23:17:30
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You will not be able to retain the factory Escort brake booster etc when using the OEM Zetec manifold that is required to be used with the original ECU.
Playing with brakes means engineering [:(!]
I think its ok to use the brake bias pedal box?, mines rally design brand. Also the 2lt scort guy Rhys, said he has already been through with it on. Its sounds like he had a line lock on that he had to take off.
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RE: zetec into mk2 escort ,legal SA?
2010/09/30 12:53:22
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OK, I get your point but just because it gets through a Transport SA inspection I doubt it means it's 100% legal. Regency will issue a document in reply to your mod request letter outlining what is required for your conversion. From memory I needed engineering approval for my conversion but things may have changed.
The braking side of things is a different issue. I think you're being naive to think modifying the braking system does not need engineering approval. You're relying on the guy inspection the car to not realise the braking system has not been tampered with. If the worst was to happen pleading ignorant is not a defence.
This is only my view but I personally don't want to go through the hard yards to do my conversion only to be defected (or worse) once it's finished because i did not follow due process.
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RE: zetec into mk2 escort ,legal SA?
2010/09/30 18:16:16
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Paul Dunstans right, mine did pass but it does not mean its engineered as 100% legal because of this. Although it does mean it passed all the required tests (with excellent results) to be deemed safe to be on the road - hence the defect was lifted.
I'd like to point out to everyone though that here in SA engineering your mods won't stop any defects coming your way. It's more somethingto have if the worst was to happen in a bad accident when the mods are to blame.
If you get pulled over the engineer can be sitting next to you and you can still be defected all that the officer has to do is assume something isn't exactly as per how the car was engineered then you have to go through the whole defect process.
It will be easier with less things to modify to pass however but engineering won't completely save you.
Rhys
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RE: zetec into mk2 escort ,legal SA?
2010/01/10 19:45:40
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Just doin it..............
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RE: zetec into mk2 escort ,legal SA?
2010/04/10 23:57:35
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What if you put it on LP gas, what's the law with that??
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