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2021/09/13 20:00:54 (permalink)
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Escort MK1 MK2 steering columns

Hi Knowledgeable folk.
 
We know that MK1 steering column spline (& spline diameter) is different than the MK2.
My questions are;
 
1. did this change in 1975 at the body shape change time, or 1977 when the true MK2 started?
 
2. besides at the steering wheel end, did the spline change at the steering rack uni coupling?
 
3. are the steering columns interchangeable ie length, fitment through fire wall etc?
 
Thanks in advance.
Mark
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    Re: Escort MK1 MK2 steering columns 2021/09/14 10:44:29 (permalink)
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    Hi Mark
    I've pulled so many Escorts to bits over 35yrs and the equation is ..
    All mk1 escort is the same, with the small spline.
    Mk2 Escort came on the scene in mid 75 and converted to metric with bolts etc. The column is mk1 length but mk2 spline up until mid 77 where it went a couple inches longer , telltale of this is the flex coupling has a longer end on the short column.
    The actual column bar should fit mk1 if it's the short one but the outer tube won't. I have never done the swap as I cut the steering wheel boss and replace with the other to suit which I reckon is a easier solution
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    Re: Escort MK1 MK2 steering columns 2021/09/14 12:46:30 (permalink)
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    Hi Marty, I thumbed you mate. Thanks for the explanation.
    I have two steering rack couplings and one is rag the other rubber. They are identical in length. Thoughts?
     
    On another tangent I have had issues before with getting the correct coupling length and maybe its this variation in shaft lengths etc that is the cause?
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    Re: Escort MK1 MK2 steering columns 2021/09/14 15:03:03 (permalink)
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    Thanks mate👍
    Early mk1 Escort was the rag type, later mk2 was a rubber pad, at a slightly longer length of maybe 10mm, nothing to cause grief over. And yes that would've been your cause of the coupling didn't reach or was bottoming out not allowing the rack to mount up... I've been there many times..
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    Re: Escort MK1 MK2 steering columns 2021/09/14 16:08:51 (permalink)
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    If anyone is interested. I actually measured this time Marty!
    The MK1 rag coupling comes in at ~84mm. The MK2 rubber coupling is ~94mm
    The MK1 steering column rod length is exactly 1000mm
     
    I have had the issue of coupling lengths when fitting the GRP4 universal type. There seems to be a few. I assume that is to account for the variable steering column rod length and the length of the shaft out of the steering rack?
     
    Should do an Escort & Capri trivia night for those of us who don't have a life at the moment!
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    Re: Escort MK1 MK2 steering columns 2021/09/14 19:44:11 (permalink)
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    Steering rack shaft length is the same through all escort models, except Lotus TwinCam, they had a long shaft to clear the starter motor.
    I think when you squash the mk2 flex coupling so the rubber isolator is flat ( this is how it should be installed) it will be closer to the mk1 hight . Never really had probs with grp4 couplings, tho in the early 90s they didn't make the extended type for 75-77 , so I couldn't use one as my car is a 76 coup, owned it since 1996 , it still doesn't have one lol !!

    Edito,
    Forgot to answer 1 question... All splines at the rack end are the same . Mk2 have metric track rods and can be swapped for mk1 if needed or vice versa if doing a Capri strut swap and rack rebuild..
    post edited by martymexico - 2021/09/14 19:48:02
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    Re: Escort MK1 MK2 steering columns 2021/10/01 18:18:25 (permalink)
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    Marty,
    Found a MK2 steering column assembly in my stash and pulled it apart the other day.
    It had the caged ball bearing top, and plastic bush bottom.
    Do you know if I can replace the top ball bearing assembly with a plastic bush, which appears to be the only thing available these days?
    Thanks,
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    Re: Escort MK1 MK2 steering columns 2021/10/01 20:35:00 (permalink)
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    Re Classic Ford Trivia night: I seriously do not know you you guys a). know all this stuff, and b). more importantly, can remember it all.
     
    If there is a trivia night, I bags Marty, Drew, Mark, John, Bernie, Terry.. on my table.
     
    I was thinking of having to print out all of the threads for future reference.
    why dont you guys write a book.?
    Maybe a mega refernce thread, of one paragraph pointers?
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    Re: Escort MK1 MK2 steering columns 2021/10/01 22:54:47 (permalink)
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    Hey Mark
    After some Google thought I suppose it'll be fine to run a plastic bush, just load it with lithium grease and it should last a long time, remember to fit the collar at the top of the column to stop the steering wheel rattling. While the column rod is out, think about welding the notch up so there's no steering lock , as it can accidently be activated on rough roads , just letting you know..

    Deano , Classic Ford Trivia Night could be interesting. Some of us are car specific, with remembering what goes where and how.
    I think after working with these cars since being a pre-teenager and manufacturer/selling motorsport components for about 15yrs, also being a mechanic , things get burnt into the braincells after about 40yrs active Escortosis (I'm 51 now) ! I still blame my brother, he owned a Lotus Escort when I was 9yrs old and have been hooked ever since.
    Don't get me wrong, I still check up on torque setting on engine internals etc .
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    Re: Escort MK1 MK2 steering columns 2021/10/04 18:15:09 (permalink)
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    Good stuff, thanks Marty,
    Will go that way. This car won't have an ignition barrel but I never really thought of welding over the steering lock hole. They were and remain a total pain in the arse. They came in in the early 70's and given the nature of those ignition barrels!
    My love of Escorts and Capris came from a British tv series from the 80's of which I have the box set of DVD's (see attached pic for clue). I've got 4 years on you Marty so you may know?

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    Re: Escort MK1 MK2 steering columns 2021/10/04 21:35:10 (permalink)
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    Same, I used to watch as many UK shows as I could in the 80s shows like Minder, Cats Eyes , The Professionals , The Sweeney, Vandervalk ( he drove a Mk4 Cortina convertible) ,etc etc . Sorry the pic doesn't nudge a braincell just yet..
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    Re: Escort MK1 MK2 steering columns 2021/10/05 09:18:33 (permalink)
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    Gee Marty you've given me a couple of shows to look up. Never heard of Cats Eyes , must be of a nocturnal nature?
    There were a heap more I never really got into like The Avengers and The Saint etc
    Body and Doyle, call signs 37 and 45 respectively. Their radio handsets looked more electric shavers (probably were and just mocked up for the show).
    Lewis Collins who played Body passed away in LA about 8 years ago. I was devastated cause I always hoped (even minus Gordon Jackson, died 1990) they might do a new series. Probably best not and let the good memories live on!
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    Re: Escort MK1 MK2 steering columns 2022/07/11 11:32:00 (permalink)
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    reviving an old thread, I was in the garage yesterday and needed some instant gratification as you do, and decided i was sick of looking at the tatty OEM steering wheel the van came with and why not upgrade it so it feels like some progress was being made.
    I had a 3 spoke wheel and Sass boss  which came from Len I think, but my column must be different as the boss was too tight to fit on.
    The Saas  BK16 boss was a 75-82 by the sounds, and not for the 1970- 75 which I must have, despite being a 77?
    I guess there no reason to expect any Escort has what it should have by now component wise, but it would be nice to score a win once in a while just the same.
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    Re: Escort MK1 MK2 steering columns 2022/08/10 14:05:38 (permalink)
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    Hi guys, just reading this thread with interest. I have a 1970 Mk1 Escort Coupe with 2ltr struts and 14mm metric rack ends. The issue I have is that there is only about 4 turns of thread each side connecting to the tie rod ends. Everywhere I look I hear that the Mk1 and Mk2 racks are the same and I am yet to confirm if my rack is a Mk1 or Mk2 rack. Can I get longer rack ends or do I need to fit extenders (not my preferred option).
    Thanks, Mic
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    Re: Escort MK1 MK2 steering columns 2022/08/10 15:23:58 (permalink)
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    4 thread, that's not enough... Should be at least 6 !! Really tho there should be about 1in of threads going in the tie rod end as minimum, and your car has had an alignment. There are different brands of rod end and some have longer threads .
    Things like lowering, an anti dive kit with alter the swaybar angle which takes threads up to get straight, but not that much..
    Has the XM been redrilled to locate the lower arms outwards.. There's plenty of things to look at. I'd be measuring the length of the steering rack without rod ends first, then we can check with ours if it's the same/close. Are the struts bent , is the car bent ??
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