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Gearbox Identification help needed
Gday fellas, i've been lurking around for a while and finally decided to make a profile I bought a mk 2 escort a few weeks back and it came with some goodies including the item in question, this gearbox that i cant find any photos or information on. Its a 4 speed with a gate into reverse which is left and forward. Any help would be appreciated lol
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Re: Gearbox Identification help needed
2019/07/30 20:44:15
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Gearbox should be a Type 2 with cast integral bellhousing. if it has an all alloy tailshaft it may be a heavy duty version Sport/GT(slightly better ratios too) if the tailshaft has a steel gear selector tube in the alloy tailshaft then its the std 1100/1300 Type2 gearbox.
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Re: Gearbox Identification help needed
2019/07/30 21:37:33
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Not trying to be rude but i dont think thats it, my bellhousing is bolted on and i thought it looked more like a type e gearbox but the rear housing looks a little different. Edit: sorry just noticed you were telling me what the gearbox SHOULD be
post edited by Trudgie - 2019/07/30 22:06:38
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Re: Gearbox Identification help needed
2022/08/02 09:56:41
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As I've been trying to find some info on these boxes etc also just thought I'd add and extra note to this string. This box looks like the Type E 'Rocket' (but may not be the Rocket ratios) box. However do note the position of the gearshift is forward by approx 11cm compared to Type E's boxes listed on Burton Power site. It may well be the Type E just different shifter position perhaps. I had one and was told from a Rs2000, but not sure they were also in the Capri too I believe. Cheers D
post edited by TheDart - 2022/08/02 10:15:31
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Re: Gearbox Identification help needed
2022/08/02 10:01:22
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Re: Gearbox Identification help needed
2022/08/02 10:22:51
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Gday mate, that's just your everyday garden variety escort 4 speed box that was put behind just about every mk2 escort, 1600 and 2 litre. The Gregory's manual covers it pretty well.
From what I have learnt over the years, the type "E" was made for the cortina (Mk3 & 4, TC, TD) and thus the position of the gear stick is slightly too far back for an Escort - in the same position as the type-9 5 speed - so they made a version with the shifter in a different spot to fit the escort shell.
It is a type E in just about all respects apart from that extension housing and the shift rod based on what I have seen. I used to buy these for $50 at swap meets. I still have 2 or 3 in the garage.
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Re: Gearbox Identification help needed
2022/08/02 15:01:21
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Gday mate, that's just your everyday garden variety escort 4 speed box that was put behind just about every mk2 escort, 1600 and 2 litre. The Gregory's manual covers it pretty well.
From what I have learnt over the years, the type "E" was made for the cortina (Mk3 & 4, TC, TD) and thus the position of the gear stick is slightly too far back for an Escort - in the same position as the type-9 5 speed - so they made a version with the shifter in a different spot to fit the escort shell.
It is a type E in just about all respects apart from that extension housing and the shift rod based on what I have seen. I used to buy these for $50 at swap meets. I still have 2 or 3 in the garage.
So Ash are you saying box in Trudgies pictures with the shifter forward is the garden variety? the pictures above I posted with gear shifter back over the tail more, is the Type E? Cheers D
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Re: Gearbox Identification help needed
2022/08/02 16:32:35
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Yep, the stick forward is common Mk2 Escort (1600 and 2 litre - not sure about 1300).
You'll notice that when a type 9 (5 speed) is put in a Mk2 (type 9 always has stick back just like the "E"), the hole in the tunnel has to be moved back to accommodate. Not made for a mk2 (or any Escort) shell.
Is it basically a "type E" with a different extension housing? I think so, as I've also bought the version with the stick back (out of a TC cortina) and had to swap the extension housing and shifter rod for the Escort version, but it all worked fine in the Escort.
Got this from Wiki - It seems to say that a "type 9" is a 5 speed "type E", and I've confirmed for myself that a Mk2 Escort box is basically a 4 speed "type 9"....
"What is a Ford Type 9 gearbox?
The Type 9 was Ford's first five-speed, rear-wheel-drive gearbox, and it is based on the four-speed Type E gearbox. The fifth, or overdrive gear, was added to the four-speed gearbox by placing it in the extension housing or tailshaft housing."
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Re: Gearbox Identification help needed
2022/08/02 19:02:08
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Yep, the stick forward is common Mk2 Escort (1600 and 2 litre - not sure about 1300).
You'll notice that when a type 9 (5 speed) is put in a Mk2 (type 9 always has stick back just like the "E"), the hole in the tunnel has to be moved back to accommodate. Not made for a mk2 (or any Escort) shell.
Is it basically a "type E" with a different extension housing? I think so, as I've also bought the version with the stick back (out of a TC cortina) and had to swap the extension housing and shifter rod for the Escort version, but it all worked fine in the Escort.
Got this from Wiki - It seems to say that a "type 9" is a 5 speed "type E", and I've confirmed for myself that a Mk2 Escort box is basically a 4 speed "type 9"....
"What is a Ford Type 9 gearbox?
The Type 9 was Ford's first five-speed, rear-wheel-drive gearbox, and it is based on the four-speed Type E gearbox. The fifth, or overdrive gear, was added to the four-speed gearbox by placing it in the extension housing or tailshaft housing."
Thats great info thanks Ash. yes I’ve got the one with stick moved forward and looking to change to one with it back as it doesn’t appear to line up and don’t want to cut another hole. Good to know the internals are the same. Now if I could just figure out the ratios on the current Type 3 I have in there I’d be complete. cheers D
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Re: Gearbox Identification help needed
2022/08/03 10:11:33
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Mark the input and output shafts , select 1st and count the rotations of the input as to the 1x rotation of the output, do same for 2nd and 3rd gears...4th is 1 to 1
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Re: Gearbox Identification help needed
2022/08/03 11:09:26
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Mark the input and output shafts , select 1st and count the rotations of the input as to the 1x rotation of the output, do same for 2nd and 3rd gears...4th is 1 to 1
Yeah awesome. Think I'd heard a similar thing before when trying to figure the diff. Marking the drive shaft and counting rotations after one full turn of the rear wheel. Cheers D
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