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2011/05/05 22:30:30 (permalink)
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Pinto Cam and follower failure.


After having a look at a failed cam and cam followers on a Pinto engine I asked the owner what he believed was the cause, knowing the high standard that this person applied to just about any project he carries out. After a lengthly discussion he had the oil tested by a lab and the cam and followers tested for hardness etc.

The end result was that the oil used was a low phosphor oil that contributed to initial wear of the cam and followers and accelerated to a point that contaminated the rest of the engine. It has been established that the internal oil filter bypass valve had opened and allowed bypass of oil to the oil galleries damaging all main and big-end bearings, crankshaft bearing surfaces and block bores and pistons and rings had evidence of damage from contamination from the cam and followers. This also included damage to valve guides in the head etc.

A very expensive failure indeed. Very little was saved from the engine.

The names of the manufacturers of the cam and oil are well know names
and although the cam manufacturer did supply useful data about the cam material etc the oil manufacturer did not believe the data supplied by a Nata registered lab when the information was sent to them.

As the facts verify its fairly easy when you actually see the data for yourself, what was the cause but trying to get the oil company to even admit that their product may be the cause was nearly impossible.

The owner is not a gambler but stated that he wished he had a night at casino or a day at the races as he would have a better chance of return of the money involved and or one hell of a day/night to remember.

The engine was taken to the local tip along with the any oil that was to used for disposal.

If you are wondering the cam was a fairly mild grind using standard springs supplied with the cam in kit form.

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    Wozzah
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    RE: Pinto Cam and follower failure. 2011/07/05 12:23:05 (permalink)
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    This topic is well covered in this article.

    http://www.aera.org/ep/downloads/ep1/EP012008_8-16.pdf

    We started having issues with a number of engines, in particular Holden V8's with flat tappet camshafts (which were notorious for failure here anyway).

    Have a read,

    Cheers
    Woz
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    spigot
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    RE: Pinto Cam and follower failure. 2011/05/08 18:14:25 (permalink)
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    I have used and recomended diesel engine oil usage for years. That service bulletin is American because we do not have access to Shell Rotella although the wear issue doesn't seem to be as bad here as it is in the USA. Also most oils in Australia are not API certified but are manufactured to API guidelines.

    Have to be careful using diesel oil on worn engines because the detergent pack is very good at cleaning out the motor.

    Also Nascar car motors run the cam submerged in oil to help minimise cam lobe wear in addition to running very hard lifters and billet cams.

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    Phil
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    RE: Pinto Cam and follower failure. 2011/05/08 18:46:06 (permalink)
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    I remember hearing somewhere recently that zinc is an important additive not found commonly enough in modern oils.
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    Timw
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    RE: Pinto Cam and follower failure. 2011/05/09 15:46:34 (permalink)
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    quote:
    Originally posted by Wozzah

    This topic is well covered in this article.

    http://www.aera.org/ep/downloads/ep1/EP012008_8-16.pdf

    We started having issues with a number of engines, in particular Holden V8's with flat tappet camshafts (which were notorious for failure here anyway).

    Have a read,

    Cheers
    Woz




    Thanks for the info shall have a read.
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    Timw
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    RE: Pinto Cam and follower failure. 2011/05/09 15:48:39 (permalink)
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    quote:
    Originally posted by spigot

    I have used and recomended diesel engine oil usage for years. That service bulletin is American because we do not have access to Shell Rotella although the wear issue doesn't seem to be as bad here as it is in the USA. Also most oils in Australia are not API certified but are manufactured to API guidelines.

    Have to be careful using diesel oil on worn engines because the detergent pack is very good at cleaning out the motor.

    Also Nascar car motors run the cam submerged in oil to help minimise cam lobe wear in addition to running very hard lifters and billet cams.



    Thanks for the info shall investigate further.
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    Timw
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    RE: Pinto Cam and follower failure. 2011/05/09 15:52:03 (permalink)
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    quote:
    Originally posted by Phil

    I remember hearing somewhere recently that zinc is an important additive not found commonly enough in modern oils.



    I will research further to see if there is anything in it.
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    spigot
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    RE: Pinto Cam and follower failure. 2011/05/09 17:11:02 (permalink)
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    The two major anti-scuff additives are zinc and magnesium. They have reduced these because they coat O2 sensors and catalytic convertors over a period of time destroying them. Diesel oil normally the highest concentrations with LPG oil second.
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    maxrs
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    RE: Pinto Cam and follower failure. 2011/05/09 19:46:04 (permalink)
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    STP 'stop smoke' will help any modern oil.
    I bet the camshaft in Timw first paragraph was a Kent cam.
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    RE: Pinto Cam and follower failure. 2011/05/27 21:18:30 (permalink)
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    I've been using Cam-Shield which contains ZDDP http://www.cam-shield.com/
    Haven't had any problems as of yet.

    Clayton
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