Gen2 block, gen3 sump install help

Re: Gen2 block, gen3 sump install help (just_ace)

Fri, 07 Jun 2013 14:24:34 GMT

yes and yes.

Re: Gen2 block, gen3 sump install help (dwyer125)

Fri, 07 Jun 2013 12:44:39 GMT

All holes are drilled, and crank and pistons are in, now I need to get some seals and gaskets. And determine what size HG to get.
For this sump, do I need to buy a gen 3 dipstick and tube?
and the rear plate between the block and gearbox, the gen2 one is the same thickness as the gen3 right?
Thanks

Re: Gen2 block, gen3 sump install help (just_ace)

Sat, 18 May 2013 14:49:58 GMT

Dont forget the piece of metal that fits between the block and gearbox.

Re: Gen2 block, gen3 sump install help (dwyer125)

Sat, 18 May 2013 14:25:37 GMT

Got run down with assignments, but had a good crack at this today.
I have found with the alloy sump bolted on, the rear of it hangs with about a 1mm lip past the end of the block.
Has any one else found this? I can get a pick if needed.
For the gearbox to bolt on flush I will have to get the rear of the sump machined to sit flush with the rear of the block.
Or have I missed something?
Thanks again

Re: Gen2 block, gen3 sump install help (just_ace)

Wed, 24 Apr 2013 15:35:21 GMT

use one for the oil filter and the other for the cooler.

Re: Gen2 block, gen3 sump install help (dwyer125)

Wed, 24 Apr 2013 12:38:07 GMT

Thanks for the pics, I just thought it's so close to the other hole it probably isn't needed. I forgot all about the windage tray holes so I might as well do the extra sump holes at the same time.

Gatesys, I've had a gen3 sump and pump laying around for a while, and with the new engine I'm building I like the feature of the oil filter down the bottom. I had to go buy a windage tray new though. Also I think the gen3 setup looks a lot stronger and neater. I already have a remote oil cooler and I guess if I wanted to I would be able to run 2 oil filters if I felt like it. Probably not needed.

Re: Gen2 block, gen3 sump install help (dasic1)

Tue, 23 Apr 2013 21:53:18 GMT

Mine is on a 5S block. I went with drilling and taping the holes, as its not hard to do.
The alloy section dose need to be ground to fit over the ARP studs. Ill have a look to see if I have any pics but dont think I took any.

Re: Gen2 block, gen3 sump install help (Gatesys SW20)

Tue, 23 Apr 2013 18:03:22 GMT

Can I ask why?
I'd like to understand :)

Re: Gen2 block, gen3 sump install help (just_ace)

Tue, 23 Apr 2013 15:55:18 GMT

I'm probably going to drill the extra hole.

Re: Gen2 block, gen3 sump install help (just_ace)

Tue, 23 Apr 2013 14:09:28 GMT

you'd also need to drill/tap holes to attach the windage tray. 2 are there for the pickup, but there's 4 others.

i'm going through this process at the moment, but it's fitting to a 5s block (one without balance gear)

Gen2 block, gen3 sump install help (dwyer125)

Tue, 23 Apr 2013 13:05:49 GMT

I remember reading a thread or 2 about installing the gen3 sump on a gen2 engine. I have all the parts needed for this now so I'm hoping to do this. I wanted to re-read the past thread that described this upgrade but still after so many searches I cannot find anything.
I just want to make sure I'm going to do it fine.
This is my understanding so far.
Needed:

Gen3 2 part sump with oil pick up and windage tray. Gen3 oil pump. Gen3 oil cooler or remote oil cooler set up.

Things to do:

The gen3 sump need 2 holes drilled in it for the gen2 alignment thread, and a gen2 bolt hole.
These 2 alignment threads also need to be removed and replaced with longer threads or use bolts.
Longer bolts will need to be used to install the sump as the alloy sump is thicker.
Gen2 rear seal housing will need new holes drilled and tapped to match sump
The alloy sump needs 2 cut outs to clear arp main studs.
There are 2 extra holes in the gen3 alloy sump that are not on the gen2 block, does the block need to be drilled and threaded for these 2 extra bolts or will the sump hold and seal fine without them? I don't see the need for this but I would like your inputs.

Any inputs are welcome and if anyone does have links to previously completed upgrades please share.