3SGTE or 5SGTE?

Re: 3SGTE or 5SGTE? (zvargulis)

Tue, 03 Nov 2015 22:06:15 GMT

Whats happening with the build?
I am tempted to build a 5SGTE.

Re: 3SGTE or 5SGTE? (-Totenkopf-)

Sat, 08 Jun 2013 18:09:52 GMT

Late camry, they don't have the beefy mains. I've had at least 4 late camry blocks and the AUD ones have the less beefy main caps, whereas the US camry block I had had the beefier mains. You can use your 3SGTE mains but its VERY highly recommended the line bore the main journal (infact, probably NECESSARY). I was going to do this on my engine.

Re: 3SGTE or 5SGTE? (MR2QIK)

Fri, 07 Jun 2013 12:49:44 GMT

Don't know. Got it from James/Tot.

Re: 3SGTE or 5SGTE? (just_ace)

Wed, 05 Jun 2013 21:13:35 GMT

From what vehicle was it?

Re: 3SGTE or 5SGTE? (MR2QIK)

Wed, 05 Jun 2013 19:19:05 GMT

My beefier block didn't have the beefier mains. Used my beefier 3S ones.

Re: 3SGTE or 5SGTE? (-Totenkopf-)

Wed, 05 Jun 2013 16:57:13 GMT

It does have the beefier mains hey? I was starting to think all the AUD 5SFE's had the less beefy main caps. All the US 5S engines seem to have the beefier items.

Re: 3SGTE or 5SGTE? (just_ace)

Wed, 05 Jun 2013 10:52:48 GMT

in AUS, the best block to get is the 96-98 st204 celica block. has all the reinforcments/redesigns but doesnt have the balance gear holes to block off, has the beefier main caps etc

Re: 3SGTE or 5SGTE? (B24)

Wed, 05 Jun 2013 08:40:39 GMT

True, just buy some toyota echo coils, make a plate the mount them (1 hour) wire the coils in and off you go.
You can wire into the stock cam angle sensor for signal.
Keep your exiting head. The seat of the pants difference is negligible.

Re: 3SGTE or 5SGTE? (Knightrous)

Wed, 05 Jun 2013 08:02:31 GMT

If your going aftermarket ECU (which you should) adding COP is a walk in the park and doesn't "require" a Caldina head.

Re: 3SGTE or 5SGTE? (IMR22C)

Wed, 05 Jun 2013 06:03:38 GMT

Nice, it's good to hear I can just grab any old 5S.

I was contemporary with the idea of using a Caldina head to gain COP ignition. It's starting to sound like more work than worth.

Re: 3SGTE or 5SGTE? (MR2QIK)

Tue, 04 Jun 2013 21:34:09 GMT

98 5S block (in US terms) supposedly had more meat/reinforcement around the water pump. Although I've yet to hear of any cracked 5S blocks.

Re: 3SGTE or 5SGTE? (-Totenkopf-)

Tue, 04 Jun 2013 17:54:59 GMT

Intake and exhaust ports same as Gen 3. Castings very similar, appears to be slightly thicker between the water galleries in the head and the combustion chamber which is initially why I bought one as I fitted super large valves and wanted best chances of deshrouding possible without causing weak spots in the casting. As Just ace mentioned, no dizzy, instead has a machined port for a crank angle sensor which reads off the rear of the intake camshaft. Can use normal 3SGTE cams however need to modify intake cam to fit the trigger lever. The cam cover is also different. Not sure if the Gen 3 is similar but the caldina cover has the rear timing 'plate' cast into the cover instead of having a seperate piece of sheet steel.

Re: 3SGTE or 5SGTE? (just_ace)

Tue, 04 Jun 2013 17:17:19 GMT

Yes. Gen4 I presume you mean off a caldina. Doesnt have provision for a dizzy. Has a crank angle sensor and camshaft to suit.

Re: 3SGTE or 5SGTE? (IMR22C)

Tue, 04 Jun 2013 15:59:37 GMT

Does anyone know whether there's a difference between the Gen 3 and Gen 4 cylinder heads?

Re: 3SGTE or 5SGTE? (IMR22C)

Fri, 19 Apr 2013 17:34:25 GMT

Any particular reason why most people go for 98+ blocks?

I've heard that GTX3076's feed a 5SGTE pretty well. Will have to do quite a bit more research into this though.