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Re:mod list (MR2_Bryce82)

Fri, 10 May 2013 19:17:36 GMT

Sorry to hear man.. But, I really appreciate the feedback hey. I definitely won't be going to him looking at buying a turbo kit any time soon!

Re:mod list (dasic1)

Fri, 10 May 2013 18:49:14 GMT

I was not joking about my feedback for ems. I was ripped off by him. There is lots of info on mr2oc about him

I agree with pretty much everything mrskylighter says

Re:mod list (Mrskylighter)

Fri, 10 May 2013 15:47:50 GMT

Its been mentioned already but speak to Dylan (Dylmrt) about the turbo kits. He is a distributer for Berk Technology so can probably get a kit for a decent price.

Re:mod list (MR2_Bryce82)

Fri, 10 May 2013 15:41:48 GMT

Yeah, I assumed as much.. But there's nothing wrong with gathering a few different opinions!

I didn't think it would make 300KW at the wheels either! I doubt I'll go with the EMS kit, primarily because of the feedback that you have heard of in previous years. But also because of the overly optimistic power readings ;)
I'll stick to one of your recommendations.. Cause if you're gonna do it, you may as well do it right the first time!

Re:mod list (Mrskylighter)

Fri, 10 May 2013 15:32:16 GMT

No problem ask as many questiosn as you like. Just remember that everyone on here will have slightly different ideas on what works and what doesn't.

I reckon if you bought that kit from EMS and your motor had all those bits on it I don't think you'd hit 300KW on pump fuel. There arn't many 300KW+ 3sgte's in Oz but the majority of the ones I know about use a GT35R sized turbo or larger. Mobi on here is using a smaller 3076R making about 330KW but with home made race fuel and heaps of boost.

Re:mod list (MR2_Bryce82)

Fri, 10 May 2013 15:19:23 GMT

I'll definitely be looking into the other kits.. I'm pretty sure I have already come across them, but the EMS kit stood out because of the top mount manifold.. After reading your comments on aftermarket manifolds though. It sounds like I would be better off just sticking to the stock ex manifold haha.. Thanks for letting me rack your brain for knowledge! Always better to ask and get help than spend the money and make stupid mistakes!

Ahh okay, thats fair enough then.. I haven't been in the game long enough to learn that one! But, I'll definitely keep it in mind for the future.

But, you're looking for 300+ RWKW for 450WHP though.. So I was just wondering if that would be possible?

Re:mod list (Mrskylighter)

Fri, 10 May 2013 15:05:56 GMT

EMS powered might be okay these days but a year or two ago they were ****e. I have bought products from them like 4 years ago without an issue but based on everything that happened in recent times I would stick clear. The turbo kits from KO,ATS and Berk are top notch. My gt35r kit was from KO and it was awesome.Dylmrt uses a Berk kit.

With the exhaust manifold an aftermarket one will flow better. But the stock one is uber strong and will not crack and has been used on 600hp+ engines. If you have a look at the kits from the three suppliers I listed they all use an adapter on the stock ex manifold to suit the new turbo. So yes you can spend $1000 on a new ex manifold and make a bit more powerbut run the risk of crack in one of the many welds and have to remove it for repair.
In saying the above some manifold munufacturers like Full Race in the US warranty their manifolds against cracking etc. But they are probably the best quailty for the 3sgte and cost over the 1K mark I think.

I don't have anything to back up my comment on the dyno power measurement difference between dynojets and dyno dynamics machines. Its just common knowledge that Dynojets seem to read higher than dyno dynamics.

Any kit with a decent medium size turbo, injectors, aftermaket ECU, exhaust, IC, cams, full engine build will make high 200s. Also know that US 93MON fuel is the equivalent of 100RON here. Different octane measurement method.

Re:mod list (MR2_Bryce82)

Fri, 10 May 2013 14:44:10 GMT

Thanks for the heads up about poor delivery.. I hadn't heard any bad things about EMS Powered until now, but.. To not have your items delivered! Thats a very big no no. Haha,

As for the difference in Dyno readings in the US, do you know why that is? Or have anything info that could back it up? Not saying that you're wrong, just curious as to how you found out..

So I'm guessing you wouldn't say a custom exhaust manifold is worth the money you pay for it? Does the stock manifold flow fairly well?

Apparently, the EMS kit is capable of 450WHP with 800cc injectors, forged internals, HKS 264 cams and a stand alone.. On 93 octane fuel.. This is what the guy from EMS has told me. I know not to believe everything I hear though ;) Especially after hearing your build list.. What are your thoughts on that Mrskylighter?

Re:mod list (Mrskylighter)

Fri, 10 May 2013 14:34:58 GMT

I have a couple of things to add about the above.

US dynos t(Dynojet) typically read higher than the dynos used in OZ. So that calculated 247KW is probably closer to 230KW here.
EMS powered have a terrible track record of delivering products when they say they will. Many unhappy customers here and overseas. Carefull buying from this dude.
A cheaper kit (approx. $2600) from KO racing / ATS Racing / Berk technology using the stock ex manifold and a gt3071/6 on a gen3 will net the same results as the gen3 kit above.

Re:mod list (MR2_Bryce82)

Fri, 10 May 2013 13:38:13 GMT

$2,975 Bolt on kit for the Gen 3 3SGTE.. No other engine mods, no fuel upgrades besides a 255 Walbro, stock ECU and a 3" dual exhaust!
Makes 330RWHP (Roughly 246RWKW)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=slCE8eIdRJ4

Here's the kit itself:
http://www.emspowered.com/storefront/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=61_62_64_118&products_id=464

Re:mod list (MR2_Bryce82)

Tue, 07 May 2013 17:35:02 GMT

Haha, you did well to explain it! That makes perfect sense..

I am a little worried about lag, but at the same time I understand that by wanting more power its something you have to deal with! And by the sounds of it, it doesn't seem like it would bother me..

Yeah, I will have to see what I can do about getting a hold of one of my parents mates.. I'm pretty sure he owns an MR2 with a GT3071 in it.. It may not be at 250RWKW but at least it'll give me a better idea. And I'll have to trust you on that one ;)

Thanks dude, you'll be the first person I'll be in contact with!
Cheers for all of your help!!

Re:mod list (dylmrt)

Tue, 07 May 2013 17:18:50 GMT

Its hard to describe. i don't reach 21psi until just before 5k rpm in the lower gears, but the "lag" doesn't really matter, since the turbo spooling at 5-6 psi in the lower revs is still giving me more power to the wheels than a stock turbo at 8-9psi at the equivalent revs, just that you have a lot more power to play with lol.

If you're worried about lag, you can get a GTX3071 and still easily make 250rwkw, and you'll have boost a tad earlier.

Again I'd recommend you sit in one or better yet drive one and decide from there. IMO, if someone chops you at the lights when you're running 250rwkw, they deserve to have beaten you haha.

If you need help with parts let me know. Dollar is good now so things are well priced.

Re:mod list (MR2_Bryce82)

Tue, 07 May 2013 12:42:25 GMT

Thanks Dylmrt, I'm starting to think the same thing haha.. I think that I'll slowly build it up, forged internals, better flowing fuel system and such, until the day that I can finally get the GT3076 on there and just see what I get.. I've been bitten by the power bug and I probably need to settle it down a little! Haha..

I have no doubt that it will still go when I need it to, and leave most cars for dead off the line!

Just curious, how does the GT3076 spool on the 3sgte? At what RPM range would you say you reach full boost?

Re:mod list (dylmrt)

Tue, 07 May 2013 01:02:57 GMT

MR2_Bryce82, I'd recommend you sit in a 250rwkw car and determine what's usable for you. the power number really doesn't mean that much, it comes down to how you use your car. I personally wouldn't go down the path of 300rwkw car for a daily driver, as the amount of work you have to do for ignition etc makes it a lot less reliable.

In general, a 250rwkw SW20 feels will perform closer to a 300rwkw s15 over a quarter mile just from the characteristics of the car and being able to better launch.

Re:mod list (dasic1)

Mon, 06 May 2013 16:50:41 GMT

+1 for Dylmrt That's who I used for most of my build.

-9874558787445 for EMS