3sge na short shifter

Re: 3sge na short shifter (Peter)

Fri, 03 Jun 2016 10:09:35 GMT

Thanks Zeus Senior,
I'm happy with your Castle quote.
Just for info about your thought to somehow upgrade the gear shifting mechanism, I have attached the shift lever & control cable page from BGB to show the whole arrangement.
There are lots of bits & pieces & plenty of things to wear & cause slop, but not much that is actually adjustable to make allowance for slop.
I also don't really see how it could be upgraded. When I searched the Forum in the last couple of days, I saw a post where someone who was obviously a hydraulics expert, was talking about trying to make a hydraulic shifting arrangement.
There didn't appear to be any follow up about any progress or result.
I have myself wondered if any of the people on this Forum, who are seriously into racing MR2s, have any input into improvements they have made to ensure they get good shifting.
Could I please ask Admin, or B24, or any others of the racing fraternity to give some input about what they have done.
Best Regards,

Re: 3sge na short shifter (Zeus)

Thu, 02 Jun 2016 23:26:26 GMT

Gday Peter. Senior here. That looks workable, much better then the mint condition one on his now. It's a piece of thin light cloth of some kind. Held on the the shaft with a hair tyre. He said today he was emailing you. His 19 so I let him do his own dealing. Might ask for advise and I'll say "tell him he's dreaming" (quote from the castle) haha. You guys seem to be working it out well. 👍🏻 thumbs up Peter.

Re: 3sge na short shifter (Peter)

Thu, 02 Jun 2016 22:41:17 GMT

Hi Zeus Senior & Zeus Junior,
I have just sent an E-Mail to Junior with some pics of my old shift lever boot.
I do reckon that is better than yours.
I don't know what holds it up under the knob on the early lever with plain shaft. Others may know.

Re: 3sge na short shifter (Zeus)

Thu, 02 Jun 2016 18:31:52 GMT

This is the stick level end in the sons car. For a laugh take a look at the so called mint condition lever boot. Held in place by a hair band 😲

Re: 3sge na short shifter (Zeus)

Thu, 02 Jun 2016 18:21:32 GMT

Z here. I'm not much into these short shifts, the son is young and still enjoys those extra add ons. If it lines up correctly there should be no issues with them at all. If your gears are making noises and clunking sounds as you shift into gears. Then you might wanna check that everything is adjusted correctly, after that is be thinking clutch or even worn gear synchro.
There have been many that have changed to a shorter shift with out any problems. So is less likely the shifter and more then likely if your having problems with one, you need to look in other areas for the underlying problems.
But I'll wait to see how it goes in the sons car, before I think of doing it as well. Although I don't find any probs with the stranded shifter. Took the round knob off, changed it for a stick lever. Looks better. Better feel when changing up or down gears. Also think if I was going to go to the hassle of all that id just go for a straight shift kit if there's one for these models cars available.
Z.

Re: 3sge na short shifter (Peter)

Thu, 02 Jun 2016 18:02:07 GMT

Hi Carmikey & Eric,
When I had the short shifter in my car, I reckon that there was a situation in which the fat body of the lever actually touched either the lowering plate or the main gearshift plate.
I reckon that was preventing me from getting full forward, backward, & sideways movement, & was causing the effect that Eric has described.
If I had been keen to persist with the short shifter, I would have taken the angle grinder to something to ensure that I got full lever travel.
I was also surprised how much improvement to feel, (maybe in my mind only), the heavy factory knob gave as compared with light plastic after market knobs.
My car is 1996 so I have the 93+ lever.

Re: 3sge na short shifter (Carmikey)

Thu, 02 Jun 2016 13:23:43 GMT

Eric
I am cautious about short shifters, as if they do not engage the gear properly then it can cause long term damage.
The TRD shifter or 93+ is the only one I would use. I currently use a 93 Shifter on my rebuild Gen 3 E153

Totally agree Eric, Unfortunately most of us had to go thru all the available after market shifters until you finally realise just how good the stock 93+ shifter actually are. I'm with you all the way.

Re: 3sge na short shifter (Eric)

Thu, 02 Jun 2016 13:16:35 GMT

I am cautious about short shifters, as if they do not engage the gear properly then it can cause long term damage.

I had the Chinese one above in my original S54. it was a little notchy before I put the short shifter in, After I did this, the gearbox progressively got worse until it crunched every gear.

It also puts extra load onto the shifter cables.

The TRD shifter or 93+ is the only one I would use. I currently use a 93 Shifter on my rebuild Gen 3 E153

Re: 3sge na short shifter (Peter)

Thu, 02 Jun 2016 12:21:57 GMT

Thanks Zeus,
Have texted.
The problem with heat tape & insulation, is that they only slow down the rate of heat transfer.
The air gap resulting from the heat shield is likely to be far more effective.
I also reckon that I will change fluid from DOT 3 to DOT 4.
I think that my clutch difficulties got worse after doing the release cylinder, & using the MR2 specified DOT 3.
Best Regards,

Re: 3sge na short shifter (Peter)

Thu, 02 Jun 2016 11:57:06 GMT

Hi again Zeus,
I just used the term, "Short Shifter" in the search box at the top of this page, & found some interesting discussion from back in 2011, in which Redtarga features.
Well worth the read.

Re: 3sge na short shifter (Peter)

Thu, 02 Jun 2016 10:09:20 GMT

Hi Zeus,
I reckon that my short shifter is a Chinese replica of the B&M.
The change over from one shift lever to the other is quite easy.
The instruction pages I sent explain it quite well, but it does become clearer as you are doing the job.
Changing the lever will not alter shift pattern or anything else.
It will only shorten the throw forwards & backwards & side to side.
When you refer to shift times, I get the impression that there may be other things causing slowness of movement of the shift lever forwards & backwards & side to side.
I strongly suggest that you read Redtarga's Technical articles on the Forum.
There are quite a lot of moving parts in the arrangement from the shift lever in the cabin, to the levers on the gearbox.
I have replaced them all on my car, & am about to try some different bushes in the gearbox ends of the cables.
I have also replaced Clutch Master Cylinder, pedal clevis, plus release cylinder internals.
The heat shield is missing from the release cylinder, & I reckon that my clutch fluid over heats/boils, causing poor shifting.
This time of the year, when it's cold it shifts o.k. but I reckon it should be better.
I still have work to do.
I will still see if I can find other discussion on the Forum which may help you.
Rick & Carmikey & I swapped some discussion about replacing the little shift block with a roller bearing.
Best Regards,
Peter

Re: 3sge na short shifter (Danti)

Wed, 01 Jun 2016 12:49:14 GMT

No problem

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Re: 3sge na short shifter (Zeus)

Wed, 01 Jun 2016 11:17:12 GMT

ok then peter thanks :)

Re: 3sge na short shifter (Peter)

Wed, 01 Jun 2016 11:08:29 GMT

Thanks Danti,
From your pic, I reckon that mine is likely to be a cheap eBay one as well. See pic.
Quality looks o.k.
For Zeus, possibly barely worth sending across Australia if you can get one for under A$50 delivered.
I will PM during today.

Re: 3sge na short shifter (Danti)

Tue, 31 May 2016 22:52:34 GMT

I got one like this from eBay 6 months ago. I wasn't sure about the quality but so far it's all good and I have used it for two track days and I love it. Cheap from eBay.

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