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Re: The Decision of which motor to choose! 2013/06/12 11:10:04 (permalink)
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thanks evodba2 - excellent pictures.
 
This is exactly the setup i would like to aim for.
 
At present i dont have any intention of forging etc, but this is a calculated decision based on a few things.
 
1) I dont intend to run a very high boost in the first instance at all. I was thinking about 4-5 psi. I assume this reduces the requirement for upgrading the internals given the lower pressure.
2) A large part of the reason i would like to do this, is to gain experience and knowledge in something I have not undertaken.
3) Whilst I am not embarking on this with the intent of blowing a motor, i do intent to stabilise at a lower PSI to let the motor find its feet, before (if the bug bites - which im sure it will) i start upping the pressure, and in turn upgrading internal components.
 
I really would like to know where might be able to make up a manifold like this for me.
 
And id also really like to hear from anyone who has converted over to EFI. What complete system should i be looking out for?.
 
I note that with this particular setup - the brake booster would need to be moved / replaced.?
 
Cheers all!
 
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Re: The Decision of which motor to choose! 2013/06/12 18:27:38 (permalink)
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That set up means deleting the brake booster and bracket= pedal box=engineering=$$$
 
You'd end up saving money by spending $800 on a custom made manifold that's going to flow better, and LOOK better.
 

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Re: The Decision of which motor to choose! 2013/06/12 19:57:31 (permalink)
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happy to go down that path ratta tat tat......and its a good suggestion.
 
Is an exhaust place the best place to start for this type of manifold fabrication?.
 
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Re: The Decision of which motor to choose! 2013/06/12 20:05:21 (permalink)
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Yup. Agree with all previous. Knowing what you actually want to achieve should be fore-front in your mind otherwise you'll wander aimlessly spending cash that won't achieve much at all.... although you'll make some stockists and shops very happy!
 
Sounds like a simple forced induction with carb setup is all you're after. If you're wanting something different and tractable why not try a supercharger with carb setup. Has been done before and doesn't require removal of brake booster and new inlet manifold as it keeps everything on the inlet side of the Pinto. I was almost going to go this way but I answered my above question... I realised what I wanted was N/A.
 
Although a nice turbocharger setup like Sundowner would be interesting...... haha
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Re: The Decision of which motor to choose! 2013/06/12 21:04:22 (permalink)
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Davus I know of a few business' in Brisbane that could fab something up. Whereabouts are you? It could be useful to post your question on boostcruising to find fabricators in your area
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Re: The Decision of which motor to choose! 2013/06/12 21:13:00 (permalink)
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im in Melbourne (eastern suburbs)........
 
Ill have a look at the boostcruising website, thanks for the guidance.
 
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Re: The Decision of which motor to choose! 2013/06/12 21:26:42 (permalink)
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Brae Auto Fabrications
http://www.braeautofab.com/
he has done my steam pipe manifold, about the cheapest around too. amazing quality of work too, check my build thread to see.
also does stainless, alloy and anything else u can weld.
 

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Re: The Decision of which motor to choose! 2013/06/12 21:32:16 (permalink)
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he will make what ever you please also

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Re: The Decision of which motor to choose! 2013/06/13 13:04:48 (permalink)
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Thanks Mish, I have given Brae a call, but no answer as yet. Hopefully they will get back to me soon.
 
In the meantime (i think i posted this in a previous post in this thread), does anyone have any idea where this manifold may have come from?. It looks to be a pretty "factory" looking manifold to me, and seems to look like it would do the job im looking for. I like its factory look.
 


 
Cheers Guys.
 
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Re: The Decision of which motor to choose! 2013/06/13 14:39:20 (permalink)
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i agree with getting a custom one made up, you can possibly keep the booster in the bay if you design it carefuly, (that was my original plan)  but once the budget blew out i removed it.
 
this pic with my manifold in black was set up too clear the standard booster, i only changed it once i got the manifold ceramic coated in the 2nd pic (sorry about quailty)
as you can see theres more room to change the plugs on the newer setup



here are some pics of how my mate planed out the manifold as you can see we fitted the engine, cooler and booster. Then we mounted an exhaust flange of a piece of angle and from there we new where the manifold needed to. This also helped with getting the dump pipe to clear, steering and clutch cable (lots of turbo pintos melt clutch cables from the dump pipe)




 
are you planning on intercooling the set up as well? 
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Re: The Decision of which motor to choose! 2013/06/13 16:30:48 (permalink)
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Thanks Sundowner. Great info.
 
In the first instance, i was probably not going to intercool, but thats only through not wanting to bite off more than i can chew at this stage.
 
Initially i was planning to go with a blow through setup and a 38/38 V6 Capri carby i have spare. However I have since looked a little at the bigger picture and have decided to try and source some Sierra EFI gear (see my post in the for sale section for what im looking for).
 
So, the fact that im going to try and go EFI to me seems like a good stead to intercool down the track if i wanted to, albeit with a few plumbing re-routes and changes.
 
Im a little confused about your photos. Are the first three photos (the black manifold with turbo mounted in the engine bay, the coated exhaust manifold, and the completed setup with the red engine bay all your car? If so, where did you get your exhaust manifold made up, and did it end up learing the brake booster or not?.
 
I gave Brenton from Brae Fabrications a ring, but unfortunately he is in Shepparton, and would need ot have the car (with engine in it) to be able to accurately fashion a manifold. The logistics of achieving that may be a show stopper as Shepparton is about 2.5 hours from where i am. The engine is currently out of the car, and the car in bits.......so i might be forced to find another avenue there, which is a pain because he sounds like a really good bloke.
 
Still open to more suggestions re exhaust manifold. I realise getting a custom one made is the preferred way of doing it, but im still very interested in any thought people have about the "factory" looking manifold i uploaded the picture of in my last post........
 
Cheers all!.
 
Loving the banter.
 
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Re: The Decision of which motor to choose! 2013/06/13 18:48:17 (permalink)
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sorry too confuse, 
these are the same manifold, 
 
when it was black it cleared the booster. although i never got around too mounting it in the painted bay.
 
i decided too ceramic coat my manifold and therefore it would be too hard to modify it after this had been coated, i also wanted too fit another turbo flange so we ground off the old flange and welded the new one on at an angle headed toward the passenger side strut top. This meant the booster would no longer fit, but the plugs would be accessible without removing the turbo.
 
I was lucky enough to have a mate make me my manifold at a very reasonable rate, unfortunetly he is too busy too make any more. 
 
check our Norwegian mates out they make them, not cheap but a quality item
 
http://www.ebay.com.au/sch/frofix-racing/m.html?_nkw=&_armrs=1&_from=&_ipg=&_trksid=p3686
 
 


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Re: The Decision of which motor to choose! 2013/06/13 19:22:09 (permalink)
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no problems - understand.
 
The norwegian stuff certainly looks good. Probably not worth the money though considering what it appears we can get made in australia.?..
 
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Re: The Decision of which motor to choose! 2013/07/11 20:36:40 (permalink)
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I know you are referring to an Escort,
 
but i put in an SR20 into my Mk1 Cortina myself, quite simple IMO, as it came out of my KE30 Corolla so had a good idea on how to go about it, and the Cortina is engineered full cage and all,
 
I did look at a 13B Turbo, but the engineer says that it would de-value the car, cool for noise, power numbers and space, but take it to a show, ill prolly get slapped,
 
If you have had a Rotory previously, just use a rotory crossmember and mod it to bolt between the chassis rails, and use a 12A timing cover,
 
I admit Ford engines in small fords are cool, and compliment the car, i only chose the SR20 cause of the availability of parts, tuning, and ease of power, and the exhaust on the passenger side helps in terms of master cylinders, im looking at this atm, and steering towards nissan or wilwood units to pump four wheel discs, and compact unit as sits close to the clutch master, if it works out the SR manifold should sit above these out of sight (be nice)
 
Seems there is alot of support also for Ford motors via this forum, and many people willing to give good advice

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Re: The Decision of which motor to choose! 2013/07/30 16:52:28 (permalink)
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Hi Guys,
 
Just to update this thread. I have decided to go down the path of turbo pinto. It fits with the Escort theme, seems to be cost effective (for what i need anyway), and wont be a problem fitting in to the car.
 
While im toying around with getting things started, i wanted to ask for any advice anyone can lend on getting engineered once complete. I know a few of you have been through this, and so id really love to hear from you as to what the process was.
 
1) Should i get a RWC before or after and engineers cert?
2) Do i need to get a RWC if i have an engineers cert?.
3) Is there any documentation i should be reading before i start my modifications to ensure i stay on the right path?
4) Does anyone have any idea of what the engineers costs would be to provide the certificate?.
5) Does anyone have any reccomendations for a good no fuss engineer?. (i dont mean bodgy, i just mean one that is ....well.....no fuss).
 
Thanks guys. Im sure there will be more questions to come, but this will sure help get me started.
 
Cheers
 
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