2011/09/16 09:30:23
hak073
I'm sorry, but I just don't see how a 30 year old leaf spring rear end can be better or "safer" than a proper 4-linked axle.
2011/09/16 12:20:14
laurie
Only 1 in Windsor. But I have seen plenty booked for speed and burnouts. When they start putting 4 link rear ends in mass produced family cars I will believe you Hak 
2011/09/16 12:37:14
JamesR
whooligan

Unfortunately, this is the sign of the times.....all I can say is buy yourself a push bike, become a tea-totalling, vegetarian, non-smoking, anti-drug taking, "working family" man and life will become rosy again......ummm, sounds like a certain "land of the free" about 200 years ago, and we all know how that place ended up....flat broke and sheite scared!

oi!
i ride a bike, dont drink/smoke/take drugs, but do eat meat. what of it?
 

2011/09/16 14:57:14
Mk1 Lotus
laurie

Only 1 in Windsor. But I have seen plenty booked for speed and burnouts. When they start putting 4 link rear ends in mass produced family cars I will believe you Hak 

 
Laurie I understand you are working to set of rules/laws and am not trying make light of this issue, however your arguement holds no water at all. 4, 5 and 6 link rear ends have been in family passenger cars since the 70's and it's only in recent times with IRS coming along that these set ups are fading out. 
I don't know how much more family you can be than the trusty Ford Falcon but in the image (Whiteline) you see a Falcon 6 link rear end.

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2011/09/16 16:11:56
laurie
Touche  like a rusty ol bucket.But the issue lies in the modification of pre existing suspension components in older cars/ one offs and hot rods. You must admit people only modify their suspension to 4-6 link to perform comparable to their engine mods. Nobody is going to six link their side valve Anglia (example only) for safety reasons? 
2011/09/16 17:46:55
Mk1 Lotus
No They probably won't.
 
But this comes back to my earlier question regarding accidents you've attended, as a percentage of accidents you see modified cars would be involved in how many? 1%? 10%?
It couldn't possible be a high percentage so why not spend the time and money on driver training so the idiot in what ever unmodified car doesn't clean up the famliy in the what ever wagon?
 
As far as the burn outs, street racing etc the stance is clear so if you get caught tuff. But this is a massive over reaction to a problem that bearly exists, if your talking road safety.  
2011/09/16 18:12:10
esc-078
Mk1 Lotus

No They probably won't.

But this comes back to my earlier question regarding accidents you've attended, as a percentage of accidents you see modified cars would be involved in how many? 1%? 10%?
It couldn't possible be a high percentage so why not spend the time and money on driver training so the idiot in what ever unmodified car doesn't clean up the famliy in the what ever wagon?

As far as the burn outs, street racing etc the stance is clear so if you get caught tuff. But this is a massive over reaction to a problem that bearly exists, if your talking road safety.  
Well said and agree 100%.
2011/09/16 18:23:14
fehlbie
laurie

Only 1 in Windsor. But I have seen plenty booked for speed and burnouts. When they start putting 4 link rear ends in mass produced family cars I will believe you Hak 

 
I don't know where this prejudice comes from within the highway patrol and the Rta. That us car enthusiasts that modify our cars to improve them to make them stop, handle and make these old cars safer, makes us hoons and we are apparently a danger to the public. It is another case of a over reaction to a minority within the car enthusiast community that we are all going to suffer. I for one have been driving for 17 years, have had one at fault accident and have never been fined for anything other than a couple of parking fines (touch wood). I find it frustrating, that I am being victimized by the government, because I enjoy my cars and like to improve them. I consider myself to be a safe driver and have completed advanced driver training at my own cost. I think my driving record exemplifies why we need better driver training in this state not more silly laws, that are not going to achieve anything road safety wise, except hinder a mutli-million dollar industry. What the Rta and the highway patrol should be focusing on is driver eduction (advanced driving courses) and a retraining of driver attitude. If they focus on these points, our roads will become safer.
2011/09/16 21:26:08
hak073
Well said fehlbie.
My thoughts exactly, but you put the words together better than I could.
2011/09/16 21:37:54
PeterM
 
I for one will be more than willing to defend any claim made by the RTA, or any highway patrol officer, against my modified vehicle that that has been properly prepared and certified by a professional RTA certified engineer.
 
A professional written engineering certification will over rule any claim made by a highway patrol officer that it can be assumed has little or no professional knowledge in engineering, but has only one interest in mind, and that is to provide a revenue stream to the debt ridden NSW State Government. 
 
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