2016/08/05 13:10:59
BootOn
RS 2000 is correct in saying that if you starve the efi pump for fuel then your mixture will lean out and bad things will happen but a surge tank isn't the only answer; I can't think of a single car that runs one from the factory. A sump in the tank where the pump draws from, internal baffles, foam etc etc are all methods which will reduce the chance of starvation? In my mind the surge tank system is overkill for a road car, it's another pump to potentially fail, another circuit to go wrong better to engineer out the need for it.
2016/08/05 17:12:33
what?
http://www.turbosport.co.uk/showthread.php?t=163296
 
 
 
Here is how me and my brother did it on the 2,6 Pinto Mk-1 in tank Valbro pump.

The fuelpipe goes through the tank and out orginal outlet on tank. (not "conected" to the fuel inside the tank)





A bracet was made and welded to the cover and the pump was mounted with hose clamps. (sorry,no picture of this...)









Everything was Tig welded.




















Orginal RS2000 sender with return pipe was used to the fuel return.
 
2016/08/05 17:24:53
what?
http://www.speedhunters.com/2016/03/project-kp61-finicky-bits-begin/FINAL CHAPTERA Surge Of Motivation

Mounting the engine, the gearbox, and even shortening the diff to suit the car – all of that could be considered the ‘fun’ bits of piecing together a project build. The not so fun bits? Putting the ‘services’ throughout the car. Likened to a building, this is the plumbing, the wiring, the fuel system – and this, possibly the single most boring photo ever posted on Speedhunters of the car’s original fuel tank post-acid dipping exemplifies the initial enthusiasm with which I approached the task of fuel.

In a nutshell, the original tank, designed to suit a carburettor, wasn’t going to suit the fuel system in its standard state. That is to say, I wanted an in-tank type pump with no mucking around with lift pumps, surge tanks and main pumps all cluttering the underside of the car. So we needed to design and build a means of preventing fuel surge and accommodating an in-tank EFI-type fuel pump. This job was entrusted to Jon and Chris of Strange Workshop in Auckland, who also did some top-notch work on Taryn and Pedey’s Project Z a while back. The first step was to chop open a sacrificial tank, and work out what we were dealing with.

Once the location for the inbuilt surge compartment was ascertained, why not make it easy by cutting the required section out of the scrap fuel tank, transcribing the measurements onto the ‘good’ tank and marking it out ready for cutting.

Jon’s a deft hand with a grinder, taking on an ‘easy does it’ mantra. The old adage of measure twice, cut once, was adhered to as the grinder made short work of the factory steel tank.

The scrap fuel tank also donated the flange which would accept the new fuel pump cradle; incidentally this flange originally served as the filler for the tank. The flange was chopped out, ground and linished to a round shape then welded in place on the tank where the original carb fuel lines would have been located.

In the meantime, Chris cracked on with the surge tank, folding up a compartment of roughly 3-litres in capacity using some fresh sheet metal.

Step two was of course to TIG-weld the joins of the surge tank together.

Then all of a sudden, a simple rectangular container is the net result, ready to be test fitted against the hacked up fuel tank.

The initial test fit involved ensuring the surge tank was sharing the same vertical plane as the fuel tank would when mounted beneath the car. The seam running around the circumference of the tank offered a simple reference.

Tacked in, awaiting final welding the companion to the tank mounted flange began to take shape. Again born of a repurposed part, we elected to use a pair of -6AN fittings welded to steel feed and return lines below the tank with a steel cradle slung beneath accommodating the pump itself.

Without the surge tank installed, the assembly looks something like this – mounted on its side with ample fuel to draw from is a Walbro fuel pump with a flow capability exceeding that of the fuel requirements the 4A-GE might have.

And out of the tank, the pump itself dummied up within the surge tank giving an indication of how the setup should work. As the walls of the surge tank protrude above the bottom level of the tank, several holes were required to permit the draining of fuel into this compartment, but sparing enough to trap fuel inside when levels get low to reduce possibility of fuel surge under cornering or acceleration. In theory, the fuel warning light will illuminate long before this is even getting near empty which I hope will provide enough of a safeguard to refuel.

It’s a time-hungry process. So the next time the fab shop hands you an invoice, before disputing the cost definitely take a moment to consider the time and expertise spent solving the problem you’ve presented them. In my case the tank is not completely finished (awaiting final welding, leak testing and refinishing), but Project KP61 is definitely taking some giant leaps forward thanks to some talented fabrication assistance.
Next on the list is to bend up a variety of brake hard lines from the pedal box to each corner of the car, and then to start tackling the wiring loom and solve a couple of niggly little problems, one of which is finding a suitable heater tap to mount beneath the dash. Either way, I’m motivated, and blessed with some of the best friends a car nut could want to crack on with getting this thing to the finish line!
Richard Opie richy@speedhunters.com Instagram: snoozinrichy
2016/08/05 17:26:23
what?
Something like the above would be a neat option, however unless you can do the work yourself would turn out quite pricey.
 
2016/08/06 08:18:15
gazz
if i was using the drop tank from the mk2 i would be fitting a surge tank/swirl pot. those tanks aren't baffled and so fuel sloshes around like you wouldn't believe! 
2016/08/06 09:32:41
PeterM
The concept of the integral surge tank as detailed above is appealing, however I am sure ADR prohibits opening and welding modifications to factory fitted fuel tanks. Also with Escorts the integral surge tank will need to sit lower than the floor of the under boot floor fuel tank which is already very low.
 
I am wondering if I can use the standard fuel pickup modified to 3/8" diameter with a Commodore intank pump which pumps to a surge tank located high up under the axle housing tunnel with main pump.
 
My EFI VL Commodore doesn't have an external surge tank. So no idea how GM got around that.
2016/08/06 11:20:43
2lt_Scort
Hi Peter,
 
Not sure what your regulations are like but easiest option is a surge tank in boot area. 4 small holes for hoses.
1 from tank to lift pump.
1 from EFI pump to fuel rail
1 from fuel return to surge
1 from surge overflow back to tank
 
Rhys
 
2016/08/06 22:51:18
RS 2000
Rhys is right,
here is initial setup in my RS

 
But then to make it road legal in SA and keep it in the boot it all had to go in a externally vented box. 
 

 
 
 

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2016/08/07 08:33:56
gazz
is sealing the boot not good enough for the fuzz?
needs to be a box in a box does it??
2016/08/07 18:29:44
ratta tat tat
In S.A, yes by the looks of it. Qld it's not a problem. Escorts came with tanks in the boot from factory
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