2017/12/29 17:44:46
Johnscapris
Forum Members,
 
I would like to add my one cents worth to this discussion.
 
The Cups sit on top of the engine mount and are installed this way for the following 2 reasons and only these 2 reasons as explained to me my a Ford UK engineer in the 70's when i was having issues with breaking mounts when using higher torque engines:
      1.  Look closely at the mount contact areas with the crossmember and the metal engine mount bracket.  The crossmember supports most of the rubber where as the top supports approx 18%.  The cup on top is more effective in spreading the load over the rubber which then prevents rubber distortion
      2.  In the early days it was the norm that if you gave the capri a bit of stick, the mount rubber would break in half.  The cup on top would then prevent the engine moving off the mounts which then would prevent the engine sump from falling onto the steering rack.  Could be fatel if the rack became bent and locked up.
 
I have an engine removed from a damaged 2 month old capri (travelled only 867kms) and the cups are fitted on the top.
 
Regards and seasons greetings,
John
 
 
 
 
2017/12/29 18:00:48
BEE VEE
Thanks JohnsCapris
 
"I rest my case for the defence"  ..............  my exact point I outlined in "bold" as you highlight in your No1 Point
 
and further backed up by your experience with that 2 month old Engine
 
ONLY CUP AT TOP CAN GIVE 1OO% SUPPORT   UNDER ALL CONDITIONS   TO TOP OF MOUNT AS FLAT AREA OF X-MEMBER GIVES 100% SUPPORT AT BOTTOM OF MOUNT
 
I dibs my hat to you.
 
Bernie
2017/12/29 18:05:56
BEE VEE
 Took me a fair while to write my last post as I was squirming around on floor with sides SPLITTING when I
 
saw   johnscapris   post which should put pay to my GUESS !!!!!!!!!!
 
I HAVEN'T LAUGHED THIS HARD, AND FOR SO LONG, IN A LONG TIME  !!!!!!!!  thanks John !!!!!
 
2017/12/29 19:23:26
GTV6
Johnscapris
   
In the early days it was the norm that if you gave the capri a bit of stick, the mount rubber would break in half.  The cup on top would then prevent the engine moving off the mounts which then would prevent the engine sump from falling onto the steering rack.  Could be fatel if the rack became bent and locked up.



I can see how the current full depth support cups would do that, but I cant see how the half depth mounts would secure the engine if a mount broke, they are too shallow.  The top half of the mount would simply slide off, cup or no cup.  Are you sure he wasn't talking about the current ones? 
 
I'm curious about which side would break was it a compressive fail or tensile fail?.
 
 
Calm down Bernie, he didn't mention anything about it being a heat shield which was the primary basis of your reasoning.
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