2010/04/15 07:21:12
darnoldrs
having never run my escort around a track, but just taking info learned from gokarts, I would have thought with the adjustable strut top you already have, to dial in maximum caster about 2 degrees of negitave camber. a antidive kit with tripple clamps ro double width clamps(or both) would be a good place to start also as it should keep you steering geomatry more constant under braking as well as slightly stiffen up the front end of the chassis.
Strut brace will also stiffen up the fron end further.
I may be wrong hear also but if youahve tires that are the same grip level front and rear, then but on griper tires, I would not expect this to change the ballance of the car, just over all grip level, however this may not be totaly corect when factoring in a single spinner diff.[x2x]
Also, dont underestamate the importance of having the rear end spring rates/swaybar matched corectly with the front as they need to work together.
Like i said at the start thou, this is just taking info learned from karting and may not always apply when there is supention involved.[%]
2010/04/15 13:01:09
JordyCharlieBoz
From reading this link
http://www.houseofthud.com/cartech/swaybars.htm

I would say a way to fix you proplem would be to either reduce the size of the rear sway bar or to increase the size of the front bar. Also negitive camber wouldn't go astray.
(disclamer: I know nothing about real world effects of bigger sway bars on Escorts)
2010/04/15 14:37:51
Mickas
How big is the bar on the front. 22mm max.
Get rid of the one on the back.
2010/04/15 18:22:14
whoppa
i dont have a back one...
but i do need new bushes in the back and rear shocks... mine didn't pass the pedders test..
im getting adjustable lower control arms to maximise the camber and so on...
2010/04/15 18:36:58
Phil
New cars dont pass the Pedders test...nothing does[;^)]
2010/04/15 19:12:36
2lt_Scort
quote:
Originally posted by Phil

New cars dont pass the Pedders test...nothing does[;^)]



My Discovery did on its original suspension, but I see your point Phil.

I find them good for the $14 safety check. I usually get one done as a check over type thing then have a look myself and mark on their quote what 'really' needs doing, get a better price and fit myself

Back on subject, get all your bushes sorted for a better ride also.

Rhys

2010/04/15 20:00:06
whoppa
yeh might invest in some hey...
all trial and error thou i spose...
2010/04/17 19:06:59
Suttonmotorsport
I have a brand new set of 4 x 195/50/15 R888 Toyos that I am going to sell.
E-mail me if you are interested.

Thanks
Craig
2010/04/18 00:12:30
kestrel
Hi, the way over and understeer was once explained to me was in terms of grip. When understeriing you have less grip in teh front than the rear and vice versa for oversteer (unless of course you've deliberately induced oversteer with a heavy shove of the welly. ) So I always come back to this concept when sorting suspension.

Sure you can improve on your tyres but you may still find a differential in grip between front and rear.

In this instace you don't really want to reduce grip in the rear so that leaves improving your grip up front. Some possible options worth considering:

softer front coils (haven't got a lot of experience with Escorts but other might advise whether 220lb is on the high side or not);
raise front tyre pressure (perhaps then lower the rear as well - to reduce grip);
increase your negative camber (via your adj strut tops -try this before spending extra money on adjustable TCA);
check Ackermann angles given you have been playing with the front suspension (if you are lifting a wheel in the corners then Ackerman is not a factor!).
I recall front sway bar size is also a contributing factor but for the life of me can't recall what you should do when experiencing understeer - certain someone else will know.

But the grip concept helps me sort out which bits/end to focus on first. Also,only change one thing at a time. Try it then adjust/add from there. Also start with the cheap options first, eg tyre pressures, etc.

Apologies if you know this.

Edit: should have added, it might also have something to do with your driving approach to and exiting the corners. Again keep the grip concept in your head.
2010/04/18 11:44:36
Andrew
quote:
Originally posted by kestrel

raise front tyre pressure (perhaps then lower the rear as well - to reduce grip);



Shouldn't this be the other way around? more pressure = less grip?
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