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Originally posted by 3sc0rt

IFyou can get some of the guys with cosworth conversions to tell you the truth, some will tell you that if they could do it all again they would choose the SR20DET. It's cheaper to do overall, parts are everywhere & can belt out a poo poo load of power.

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What a load of cr@p [V]

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So because it's not what you would do it's CRAP? I didn't say everyone did i? Im not sayin it's the best way to go, i just said that's what some people's opinions are. Hey I love Cosworth and im not knockin them at all, but if i could have a Mk2 that could belt out simular power for half the price with a endless supply of parts that are so easy to get... I would do it, You can call me Crap every single day of the year, but ill still have a mk2 that goes just as fast and have alot of change in my pocket

Never on this forum have a read as much rubbish as i have in this thread over the last week.

Cheaper? What an absolute toss. Horsepower, no matter which engine you use will cost money and lots of it. No matter what the initial purchase price, the cost of parts, doing the work yourself or paying someone else - at the end when it is all finished (if it ever is) the final cost will be be comparable from one type to another.

The only thing that ends up cheaper in the end is the resale value of your vehicle - because those prospective purchasers who are out there in the market and are cashed up enough to pay the big dollars aren't interested in mixed-brand classics.

I stand to be corrected and i am sure this will send a few of you rushing to prove me wrong but i have never seen a bitsa classic Ford reach its original listed price or even beat it. They always end up discounted.

And DIFFERENT, really? There is a Old Skool Lambo in Melbourne that has just been converted to electric drive - yep thats right pull out that lovely old classic V12 engine and stuff it full of phone batteries and an electric motor.

Now that is different, but to me it is and always will be absolute sacrilege.

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Never on this forum have a read as much rubbish as i have in this thread over the last week.

Cheaper? What an absolute toss. Horsepower, no matter which engine you use will cost money and lots of it. No matter what the initial purchase price, the cost of parts, doing the work yourself or paying someone else - at the end when it is all finished (if it ever is) the final cost will be be comparable from one type to another.

The only thing that ends up cheaper in the end is the resale value of your vehicle - because those prospective purchasers who are out there in the market and are cashed up enough to pay the big dollars aren't interested in mixed-brand classics.

I stand to be corrected and i am sure this will send a few of you rushing to prove me wrong but i have never seen a bitsa classic Ford reach its original listed price or even beat it. They always end up discounted.

And DIFFERENT, really? There is a Old Skool Lambo in Melbourne that has just been converted to electric drive - yep thats right pull out that lovely old classic V12 engine and stuff it full of phone batteries and an electric motor.

Now that is different, but to me it is and always will be absolute sacrilege.

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Good Point, But the ammount of people doing a SR20 Conversion instead of a Cosworth is why? First thing that comes to my mind is $Money$. Ask the guys who have done the SR20 Conversion in their cars, ask them why they didn't go the Cosworth.. they sure didn't do it to p!ss off all the patriotic Ford fans that's for sure... I can bet you they all looked into the Cosworth route, but chose the SR for a few different reasons. I wont say because i'll have everyone contridicting left right and center lol [88]

This mk1 Escort is a beautiful car and the owner has done a great job!

For me (i have done the cosworth conversion!) it looks a hell of a lot easier than doing an sr conversion! everthing matches being ford and i would never put an sr20det in any of my cars!! EVER... sorry

once you have tasted cosworth power.... you wouldn't look at the Jap engines... if you were looking at a better engine you would be going something euro and well built [:u][:x)]not something thrown together and requiring a full rebuild to belt out more power than a cossie stage 3 chip on a standard engine!

You say the main factor is cosworth parts and the prices if you do your research the parts are pretty much the same, and you can track them down easily!!. Just because Autobarn and Supercheap auto stock the parts doesnt make the sr20 better than a cossie... and a worked sr20det is not cheaper than a cossie!! talk it up as much as you like. if you want big power out of a sr20 you have to spend money! and lots of it too! just like a cosworth!

I know cosworth conversions have been done over and over... but there is a reason for that! the sr20 conversion has been done over and over because of convienience nothing else... IN MY opinion! Most people who do sr20 conversions always tell you... its because i couldnt find a cossie [:u][88] you all know it [:I]

I reckon if Phil added up the cost of his car Vs the Cost of this mk1 sr it would be very similar! (VERY EXPENSIVE!!!) BOTH CARS are a credit to the builders!Well done building a great car Phil!! and this mk1 escort is pretty awesome too...even if it has a sr20 in it

JUST MY OPINION!

The escort in question isn't my cup of tea. I think the rims are just a little over the top and given the choice I wouldn't buy the car.

The bloke I bought my Mk1 4 door off has found himself another Mk1 2 door and he's planning to put a Commodore V6 into it with a fibreglass tilt front. Not my cup of tea either but good luck to him.

The thing that I like most about owning/restoring/modifying/playing with an old Ford is that it's my car and I can do what the wife let's me do with it.

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The escort in question isn't my cup of tea. I think the rims are just a little over the top and given the choice I wouldn't buy the car.

The bloke I bought my Mk1 4 door off has found himself another Mk1 2 door and he's planning to put a Commodore V6 into it with a fibreglass tilt front. Not my cup of tea either but good luck to him.

The thing that I like most about owning/restoring/modifying/playing with an old Ford is that it's my car and I can do what the wife let's me do with it.

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In my opinion, they probably do it becuase it appears to easier and cheaper - a perception.

Pretty much like everything today a lot of people just don't understand how good we have it. You have the world at your finger tips - ebay, the internet, email, mobile phones etc. You can contact anyone anywhere in the world and get a fast response. There are more people producing reproduction and new parts that can deliver to your door in a matter of days from across the other side of the globe. Scroll back the clock 20 or even 15 years ago and to get parts to do conversions like a YB was a damn sight harder and far more expensive - and yet people did it. Just think about doing any conversion or sourcing any part you may need tomorrow if the internet suddenly disappeared.

So i really think it is a misinformed perception of what is easier or cheaper. At the end of the day anyone who goes down a conversion route will spend a lot of money re-engineering the vehicle to cope with additional power and different driveline. And if they need to buy performance parts they will probably end up buying them on the net from OS companies anyway.

Geetee,

Thats what i was trying to say [:I][;^)][%]

Ty i actually think you said it quite well yourself!

....I think the whole what's cheaper argument is a waste of time really. How can a call be made on the assumption of another person's disposable income?

I think the deal is not price, but rather personal choice. The owner of the Mk 1 obviously could afford a Cossie....but didn't. I'd hazard a guess by saying the owner of this particular car could probably afford to put what ever the hell he wanted between the shock towers. Right or wrong....his names on the ownership papers, so what ever is said here means four tenths of F%$k all.

It's like having a got a mate for liking fat chicks. Most of us disagree with the decision, some of us have probably tried it, but in the end it's his funeral. Personal choice.....one of the last freedoms we enjoy these days.

I like it because it is different.....and I qualify it by asking anyone to show me a similar car....as in same engine, same paint style, same rim style, same interior style etc etc etc.

Like I said.....it's different, and that's why we are all having our 2cents worth.....imagine the response it's going to get in the magazine![;^)]

RJ