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2014/06/18 20:59:52
what?
I haven't seen anything relating to this on here.

I got the heads up from a guy at the tyre shop and found this after a bit of a Google.

As someone who plans to make use of this scheme in the near future I would be interested to hear from those in the know as to what the real effect will be


Here is a summery report from the AOMC seminar held 17/5/2014.

PLEASE NOTE: this summery is by the Club permit officer of a vintage truck club, so it is 'Heavy Vehicle' 'centric'.

AOMC seminar held 17/5/2014

Here’s our summary of the AOMC meeting regarding changes to the Club Permit Scheme. Over 300 people attended and it was conducted by Rod Amos. The changes are scheduled to come in sometime between July and September 2014.

Changes
1. Club Safety inspections will be limited to pre 1931 vehicles. Vehicles post 1931 will require a Road Worthy Certificate. Vic Roads will be look at how to provide adequate support to RWC testers unfamiliar with older vehicles and will produce a check list for those doing safety inspections on the pre 1931 cars.

2. Clubs will need to hold dated photographs of each vehicle that applies for Club plates (I.e new applications - not vehicles already on club plates). They will have to show various views of the car, plus the engine bay, interior etc. These photos will have to be accessible to VicRoads upon request. These photos act as a record of what the vehicle was like when it was put on red plates. 

3. There will be a new M plate for extensively modified vehicles – plate to be the 12345M format. Police could demand that current vehicles on H plates that are extensively modified be inspected and reassigned to M plates.

4. A new Vic Roads standard will be introduced - VSI 33 - that specifies modifications not requiring certification for CPS vehicles. However, VSI 33 only applies to ‘light four wheeled vehicles’. Motor bikes and heavy vehicles will have their own Standard – which will be introduced at some unstated date in the future. Because this standard will not apply to trucks I didn’t really take extensive notes however here is a summary -

VSI 33 has three age categories - vehicles manufactured before 1/1/1949; vehicles manufactured from 1/1/1949 and up to 31/12/1968 and vehicles manufactured from 1/1/1969. VSI 33 covers
various aspects of the vehicle such as body work, engines, brakes, fuel systems etc. AOMC is generally happy with the flexibility of these specifications – for instance a vehicle could be fitted an unmodifed engine if it was offered as an option by a manufacturer and does not provide a significant increase in power; Brakes can be replaced by other brakes if they were ‘manufactured by an entity that is subject to laws governing product liabilty’ For vehicles built after 1/1/1969 VSI 33 does not apply – the current standard VSI 8 applies.

However Rod Amos says that if the modifications are not permitted under the new VSI 33, then if they fit into the existing VSI 8 parameters that’s ok and if they don’t fit into VSI 8 and they fit into the current VSB 14 parameters that’s ok and finally if they don’t fit into VSB 14 then you will need to get a VASS Engineers inspection. 

AOMC are also in talks with VicRoads regarding replica vehicles and ‘pop up’ clubs ie clubs whose sole purpose is to provide cheap rego via CPS. There has been the issue as whether Vic Roads will limit the number of people in a Club who can sign CPS forms. No decision on this – it will be looked at when VicRoads look at the issue of the suitability of Clubs to issue Club Permits.
2014/06/20 15:48:10
what?
Here is some information from a more reliable source
 
from http://www.aomc.asn.au/publications/MinutesFeb14.pdf
 
Club Permit Scheme Report.
 
Rod Amos outlined the recent activities with VicRoads. In mid December
VicRoads sent out to AOMC and Vic Fed drafts of 3 documents for discussion and to allow contribution to the
refinement of the final document.
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Vehicle Safety Inspection list, which is a set of guidelines for club safety checks.
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VSI-33: A new document to act as a set of guidelines and regulations for CPS vehicles. Does not
override VSI-8.
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Draft of a letter to be sent to all clubs regarding changes to the CPS.
This have been supplied to AOMC & Vic Fed and are to be treated with strict confidentiality, so cannot be
circulated to clubs, but AOMC are dealing with them on clubs behalf. Rod had given an initial informal
response in December with regard to AOMC concerns, and had undertaken to give a detailed formal
response in February. He then gave an overview of the key issues:
Safety Inspection List:
to provide a structure around Club Safety Checks. VicRoads are looking at
restricting this facility to older cars only, and introducing Roadworthy certificates as the basis for later
vehicle new permit applications.
VSI-33:
provides for 3 age categories of vehicles. Still makes references to VSI-8 and VSB-14.
Presents definitions that are too tight and unworkable regulations. Contrary to previous advice they
will now have a regulatory framework for motorbikes (VSI-4) and commercial vehicles (VSI-32). Rod
is liaising with truck clubs with regard to this situation.
Draft Letter to Clubs:
will clarify where club responsibilities lie.
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Photos of vehicles on CPS will need to be kept on file.
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There will be a new club plate type for modified vehicles.
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CPS vehicles will not be subject to retrospectivity, but if vehicle is in breach of requirements it
may be called in for a VASS inspection. This is a way of getting to vehicles that are already
on the scheme.
Main focus at moment is to resolving the outstanding issues on modified vehicles on the CPS. Once this is
resolved, talks will begin about setting standards for qualification of clubs to be CPS authorised. Rod has
suggested a scheme for evaluating clubs, based on a scoring system. He is encouraged that VicRoads seem
to have listened to AOMC concerns so far.
Questions/Comments from the floor:
A Delegate reported that he has heard that Roadworthy inspection
system is about to be introduced in its present form. Rod responded that VicRoads have made it clear that
Club Safety Checks will only be available for certain classes of vehicle. The Roadworthy system will be the
same as it is now. AOMC has a project to develop a set of formal guidelines for Roadworthy Inspections to be
sent to testers and clubs.
Bill Ballard
(Ford Owners Restorers & Drivers): cut off date for safety checks is 1949. There are cars in his
club built up to 1957 using the old technology. Is there any consideration being given to vehicle construction
type when determining a cut off point?. Rod responded that there is going to be an arbitrary date, but do not
know as yet what that will be. There would be problems with trying to determine some form of technical cut off
point. VicRoads are looking at safety of vehicles due to a series of incidents and abuse of the system.
Alan Fairweather
(Western Restorers): another organisation quoted that 31/1/1931 is the date quoted as cut
off for requiring RWC.
Rick Cove
(GHAC): In the Roadworthy Act there is a small clause that states that cars only need to be tested
to the standards of the time of manufacture.
Robert Green
(Macedon Ranges & HCVC): Reminded AOMC to not forget Tractors and Trucks in
Roadworthy discussions for CPS. Rod responded that relevant clubs need to get active on this matter.
Clinton Breeze
(Bendigo Historic Motorcycle Club): Noted the requirement for secretary only to be signatory
on the renewal forms for CPS. Makes it difficult for large regional clubs due to geographic spread of
membership. Rod responded that AOMC are pursuing that requirements do not come into force that are to
the detriment of large and regional clubs. Bruce Helms (ASRF) noted that ASRF have 4 signaturies registered
with VicRoads.
Rod also added that contrary to some clubs concerns, photos of vehicles (for filing) will need to be supplied by
the owner, there will be no requirement for clubs to be taking the photos.
Chairman Iain Ross thanked Rod for his report
2014/06/20 17:09:12
Matt75
We are currently going through this with our club (RSOC Vic).  The proposed changes (and they are proposed at this stage) are there to stop the wrong cars being put on club plates.
 
People have been using the club plate scheme as a way of getting heavily modified cars on the roads without engineers certificates etc.. and as a form of cheap rego.  I saw a pic of a Camira the other day on club plates!
 
There are also profiteers who have set up clubs where is you send them a nominated fee then you get your club permit no questions asked.
 
If your car is standard and you can get a roadworthy then nothing will affect you and you will have no issues in getting the club permit.
 
Whereas we are still waiting to see what will be the final draft on what issues (if any) will affect the modified cars.  As usual the proposed changes and the actual changes end up being too different things.
 
Time will tell.
 
Cheers
 
Matt
2014/06/20 20:36:15
Matt75
Lol.  We are hopeful that there isn't too much of a swing from where we are now to making things too difficult
 
Cheers
 
Matt
 
 
2014/06/22 00:08:54
Drewdog
Good luck with that one guys......
Here in WA the requirements seem to have changed too...... in a catch twenty two way....
 
Modified cars still go on RWA (rally wa) permits for stage transport etc.....
 
Club cars had to be bog stock, as per the compliance plates, down to air cleaner and tyre size, they were inspected by main roads, then every year after, by a club official, this led to many replica cars being passed for roadworthy one year, then re-registered to 'up specs' by who you knew at the clubs.....
The limit on driving was sheer circumstance, if you got caught you could claim you were charging the battery, circulating the cooling system or if you had twenty bucks in the ashtray, you were going for fuel......
 
As of this year, from what I understand, the vehicle no longer has to be inspected every year, the responsibility is on the driver (not the club) and catch twenty two hits home, the hoon laws apply, if caught the car is deemed unregistered and impounded...
 
It's easier for me in WA to stay on full rego's and take my chances...... Drew..........
 
2014/06/22 12:01:44
Flighter
I'm on full rego too as it doesn't seem worth the headaches to save a few bucks.  In fact, I've been paying full rego for the many years it has sat unused, and now in pieces!
2014/08/18 11:28:16
CuttBack
How will these VicRoads changes effect cars already with club reg?
Does anyone know?
 
2014/08/18 13:18:29
Matt75
Hey Pat,
 
We still don't know what the changes will mean to cars already on the club scheme and whether there will be an onus on each club to track each cars development.
 
As soon as we (The RS Owners Club of Victoria) hear anything we will certainly notify all members.  We are just mindful of speculating and causing any unnecessary anxiety until we know what the rules will be.   
 
Here is a link to the AOMC newsletter with more info on the proposed changes - 
 
http://www.aomc.asn.au/publications/NewsletterAug14.pdf
 
Cheers
 
Matt
 
 
2014/08/18 13:28:28
CuttBack
I have a friend with Club reg - and recently he pulled the car off the road to give it an overhaul.
I was just worried that if its not right by the time he new laws are enforce he will then need a RWC to re-reg it.
 
Thanks For the update Matt.
 
Cheers
Patrick
2014/08/19 21:09:22
Matt75
If his club rego has lapsed then he will probably need another RWC anyway.  (That's our policy anyway).
 
Is the car standard?
 
Matt
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