The other thing guys is don't bother with the majority of light running in oils as they will do more damage than good especially to bearings and camshafts as the old wives tale was you needed the lght running in oil to help the rings bedding in and to bed the bearings in becsause they're tight, THIS IS CRAP!
Bedding in rings is a load issue and not because of light weight oil, if yu don't put any load on the rings they won't bed in no matter what oil you use and bedding in bearings is nonsense as all they are there for is to provide a path for the oil because as soon as you have a metal to metal contact you're screwed!
The only running in oil I've found thats been worth using is the Joe Gibbs Racing Bed-In oil as it's a full 10W50 mineral oil with added phosferous to help seat rings and added zinc to decrease any camshaft wear.
Do not run in on any synthetics especially the Motul, HKS and Redline ester based synthetics as they are far too slippery and will make it difficult to seat the rings. Most guys will bed the rings in on a normal mineral based oil and then change it, I myself do it afte the dyno session with the Joe Gibbs

Danny

Thanks Danny, that sounds like good advice.

It sounds like Rhys' engine has been sitting for a while, and I also have a pinto I rebuilt 4 years ago, which I finally hope to start soon!

Would you have any particular advice in this sort of situation?

Yes as danny said, Load the car up make it work.
Fill it up with people or sandbags etc. People are better as they can help you push if it breaks

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Load the car up make it work.
People are better as they can help you push if it breaks

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Exactly what I have always done, grab a few mates and take it for a test run to run it in... Fortunately I live on a longish hill so it was always 3-4-5 up the hill..

Once you can get back you can have a few beers and celebrate, OR pay them in beers after they have pushed it back.....

I've done both...

Shaun

Shaun

Thanks to all for the abnove responses, I've followed your advice though not yet got to dyno.

Ok, I got the car running again and was able to drive it to the exhaust shop, did alot of loading it up etc on way there. Gave it more of a work out on the way home. its got some go.

Taken it for a decent drive in the hills yesterday and its pinging it head off unless I baby it up the hills.

Its smoking very mildly on idle and when coasting along (blue/whitish smoke). No smoke under load.
So far it has probably 100km under its belt....is this normal? Been about 6-7years since I've run a motor in.

Thanks,
Rhys

Good to hear it's got some go. [:p]

I don't think a little smoke is anything to worry about till the rings are bedded in.

I wouldn't keep driving it if it's pinking under load though. I've seen the damage that can do first hand! [:0]

Change that oil as soon as you can.

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Thanks to all for the abnove responses, I've followed your advice though not yet got to dyno.

Ok, I got the car running again and was able to drive it to the exhaust shop, did alot of loading it up etc on way there. Gave it more of a work out on the way home. its got some go.

Taken it for a decent drive in the hills yesterday and its pinging it head off unless I baby it up the hills.

Its smoking very mildly on idle and when coasting along (blue/whitish smoke). No smoke under load.
So far it has probably 100km under its belt....is this normal? Been about 6-7years since I've run a motor in.

Thanks,
Rhys

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This is why I don't drive them and only run the engine long enough to make sure it runs and no overt leaks
as the first few minutes are THE most important! as some rings you may have even missed any opportunity of bedding them at all. As doing it on the dyno you keep an ear on detonation and can load it up straight away as baby'ing it up the hills is the last thing you should have been doing, I would pulled over and whipped the timing light out if I had to do it on the road
The blue'ish smoke you are talking about on light load without seeing it personally, is not a good sign as it's sounding like the rings may no have bedded in properly and you may have missed the opportunity which may result in a quick rebuild with a new set of rings and a honed bore

Danny

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Originally posted by 2lt_Scort

Thanks to all for the abnove responses, I've followed your advice though not yet got to dyno.

Ok, I got the car running again and was able to drive it to the exhaust shop, did alot of loading it up etc on way there. Gave it more of a work out on the way home. its got some go.

Taken it for a decent drive in the hills yesterday and its pinging it head off unless I baby it up the hills.

Its smoking very mildly on idle and when coasting along (blue/whitish smoke). No smoke under load.
So far it has probably 100km under its belt....is this normal? Been about 6-7years since I've run a motor in.

Thanks,
Rhys

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This is why I don't drive them and only run the engine long enough to make sure it runs and no overt leaks
as the first few minutes are THE most important! as some rings you may have even missed any opportunity of bedding them at all. As doing it on the dyno you keep an ear on detonation and can load it up straight away as baby'ing it up the hills is the last thing you should have been doing, I would pulled over and whipped the timing light out if I had to do it on the road
The blue'ish smoke you are talking about on light load without seeing it personally, is not a good sign as it's sounding like the rings may no have bedded in properly and you may have missed the opportunity which may result in a quick rebuild with a new set of rings and a honed bore

Danny

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Danny I don't normally drive with a timing light in the glovebox

In all seriousness though probably wouldn't have been a bad idea considering I'd only just got it going.

The running in oil is like water so Im semi hopefully new oil will fix the smoking.
As far as the detonation problems goes, I'm going to have to go back to my notes of when I was building it and re-calculate the comp ratio (think I posted on here, so will search). Not sure if I'm going to get it to run nicely on pump fuel without affecting performance.

Rhys

http://classic-ford.org/forum/topic.asp?ARCHIVE=true&TOPIC_ID=14301&whichpage=2&SearchTerms=compression,ratio

Post re this engines comp ratio issues.

Rhys

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Originally posted by 2lt_Scort

Thanks to all for the abnove responses, I've followed your advice though not yet got to dyno.

Ok, I got the car running again and was able to drive it to the exhaust shop, did alot of loading it up etc on way there. Gave it more of a work out on the way home. its got some go.

Taken it for a decent drive in the hills yesterday and its pinging it head off unless I baby it up the hills.

Its smoking very mildly on idle and when coasting along (blue/whitish smoke). No smoke under load.
So far it has probably 100km under its belt....is this normal? Been about 6-7years since I've run a motor in.

Thanks,
Rhys

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This is why I don't drive them and only run the engine long enough to make sure it runs and no overt leaks
as the first few minutes are THE most important! as some rings you may have even missed any opportunity of bedding them at all. As doing it on the dyno you keep an ear on detonation and can load it up straight away as baby'ing it up the hills is the last thing you should have been doing, I would pulled over and whipped the timing light out if I had to do it on the road
The blue'ish smoke you are talking about on light load without seeing it personally, is not a good sign as it's sounding like the rings may no have bedded in properly and you may have missed the opportunity which may result in a quick rebuild with a new set of rings and a honed bore

Danny

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Danny I don't normally drive with a timing light in the glovebox

In all seriousness though probably wouldn't have been a bad idea considering I'd only just got it going.

The running in oil is like water so Im semi hopefully new oil will fix the smoking.
As far as the detonation problems goes, I'm going to have to go back to my notes of when I was building it and re-calculate the comp ratio (think I posted on here, so will search). Not sure if I'm going to get it to run nicely on pump fuel without affecting performance.

Rhys

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Rhys if you're running a 2lt head and flat top pistons it will run on pretty much any fuel you like if you tune the thing correctly

Danny