2014 changes to the Victorian club permit scheme

I haven't seen anything relating to this on here.

I got the heads up from a guy at the tyre shop and found this after a bit of a Google.

As someone who plans to make use of this scheme in the near future I would be interested to hear from those in the know as to what the real effect will be


Here is a summery report from the AOMC seminar held 17/5/2014.

PLEASE NOTE: this summery is by the Club permit officer of a vintage truck club, so it is 'Heavy Vehicle' 'centric'.

AOMC seminar held 17/5/2014

Here’s our summary of the AOMC meeting regarding changes to the Club Permit Scheme. Over 300 people attended and it was conducted by Rod Amos. The changes are scheduled to come in sometime between July and September 2014.

Changes
1. Club Safety inspections will be limited to pre 1931 vehicles. Vehicles post 1931 will require a Road Worthy Certificate. Vic Roads will be look at how to provide adequate support to RWC testers unfamiliar with older vehicles and will produce a check list for those doing safety inspections on the pre 1931 cars.

2. Clubs will need to hold dated photographs of each vehicle that applies for Club plates (I.e new applications - not vehicles already on club plates). They will have to show various views of the car, plus the engine bay, interior etc. These photos will have to be accessible to VicRoads upon request. These photos act as a record of what the vehicle was like when it was put on red plates. 

3. There will be a new M plate for extensively modified vehicles – plate to be the 12345M format. Police could demand that current vehicles on H plates that are extensively modified be inspected and reassigned to M plates.

4. A new Vic Roads standard will be introduced - VSI 33 - that specifies modifications not requiring certification for CPS vehicles. However, VSI 33 only applies to ‘light four wheeled vehicles’. Motor bikes and heavy vehicles will have their own Standard – which will be introduced at some unstated date in the future. Because this standard will not apply to trucks I didn’t really take extensive notes however here is a summary -

VSI 33 has three age categories - vehicles manufactured before 1/1/1949; vehicles manufactured from 1/1/1949 and up to 31/12/1968 and vehicles manufactured from 1/1/1969. VSI 33 covers
various aspects of the vehicle such as body work, engines, brakes, fuel systems etc. AOMC is generally happy with the flexibility of these specifications – for instance a vehicle could be fitted an unmodifed engine if it was offered as an option by a manufacturer and does not provide a significant increase in power; Brakes can be replaced by other brakes if they were ‘manufactured by an entity that is subject to laws governing product liabilty’ For vehicles built after 1/1/1969 VSI 33 does not apply – the current standard VSI 8 applies.

However Rod Amos says that if the modifications are not permitted under the new VSI 33, then if they fit into the existing VSI 8 parameters that’s ok and if they don’t fit into VSI 8 and they fit into the current VSB 14 parameters that’s ok and finally if they don’t fit into VSB 14 then you will need to get a VASS Engineers inspection. 

AOMC are also in talks with VicRoads regarding replica vehicles and ‘pop up’ clubs ie clubs whose sole purpose is to provide cheap rego via CPS. There has been the issue as whether Vic Roads will limit the number of people in a Club who can sign CPS forms. No decision on this – it will be looked at when VicRoads look at the issue of the suitability of Clubs to issue Club Permits.

Here is some information from a more reliable source
 
from http://www.aomc.asn.au/publications/MinutesFeb14.pdf
Chairman Iain Ross thanked Rod for his report

We are currently going through this with our club (RSOC Vic).  The proposed changes (and they are proposed at this stage) are there to stop the wrong cars being put on club plates.
 
People have been using the club plate scheme as a way of getting heavily modified cars on the roads without engineers certificates etc.. and as a form of cheap rego.  I saw a pic of a Camira the other day on club plates!
 
There are also profiteers who have set up clubs where is you send them a nominated fee then you get your club permit no questions asked.
 
If your car is standard and you can get a roadworthy then nothing will affect you and you will have no issues in getting the club permit.
 
Whereas we are still waiting to see what will be the final draft on what issues (if any) will affect the modified cars.  As usual the proposed changes and the actual changes end up being too different things.
 
Time will tell.
 
Cheers
 
Matt

Lol.  We are hopeful that there isn't too much of a swing from where we are now to making things too difficult
 
Cheers
 
Matt
 
 

Good luck with that one guys......
Here in WA the requirements seem to have changed too...... in a catch twenty two way....
 
Modified cars still go on RWA (rally wa) permits for stage transport etc.....
 
Club cars had to be bog stock, as per the compliance plates, down to air cleaner and tyre size, they were inspected by main roads, then every year after, by a club official, this led to many replica cars being passed for roadworthy one year, then re-registered to 'up specs' by who you knew at the clubs.....
The limit on driving was sheer circumstance, if you got caught you could claim you were charging the battery, circulating the cooling system or if you had twenty bucks in the ashtray, you were going for fuel......
 
As of this year, from what I understand, the vehicle no longer has to be inspected every year, the responsibility is on the driver (not the club) and catch twenty two hits home, the hoon laws apply, if caught the car is deemed unregistered and impounded...
 
It's easier for me in WA to stay on full rego's and take my chances...... Drew..........
 

I'm on full rego too as it doesn't seem worth the headaches to save a few bucks.  In fact, I've been paying full rego for the many years it has sat unused, and now in pieces!

How will these VicRoads changes effect cars already with club reg?
Does anyone know?
 

Hey Pat,
 
We still don't know what the changes will mean to cars already on the club scheme and whether there will be an onus on each club to track each cars development.
 
As soon as we (The RS Owners Club of Victoria) hear anything we will certainly notify all members.  We are just mindful of speculating and causing any unnecessary anxiety until we know what the rules will be.   
 
Here is a link to the AOMC newsletter with more info on the proposed changes - 
 
http://www.aomc.asn.au/publications/NewsletterAug14.pdf
 
Cheers
 
Matt
 
 

I have a friend with Club reg - and recently he pulled the car off the road to give it an overhaul.
I was just worried that if its not right by the time he new laws are enforce he will then need a RWC to re-reg it.
 
Thanks For the update Matt.
 
Cheers
Patrick

If his club rego has lapsed then he will probably need another RWC anyway.  (That's our policy anyway).
 
Is the car standard?
 
Matt

I picked up my new M plates yesterday.
Wasn't to hard so long as you are doing the right thing.

On a side note, how are people affixing there plates on the front of a mk1?
Surely you don't have to put new holes in the front panel?

How much did the MOD Plate cost for the engineers approval?
 
Have seen guys make stickers and affix them to the bumper or front lip
 
Matt

About $700.00 which I found reasonable, i used Bonneville consulting who was quite good to deal with.

Joseph
 
MK1's had holes in the front panel for the number plate from new.  Yours must have had a new panel fitted or the holes filled in.
Good job with the car.  Its a tidy looking thing
Gdub

Thanks gdub im pretty happy with it.
You wouldn't happen to know exactly where the holes are supposed to be?

Look for a shot of a MK1 front on and you will work out where the factory spot was pretty easily

Do the new changes combined with NCOP now make any new club registrations with 6 point cages ruled out???
 
I presume all the race/track cars with cages in the past been signed of by clubs without a RWC or am I missing something?
 
From my inquiries a rwc with full cage is a no no, therefore no new club regs, or am I speaking to the wrong people?
 
Even retrospectively any front legs that dont go through the dash do not meet meet VSI 28 and/or required VASS anyway?
 
I'm a little confused.
 
PM me if necessary.
 
Thanks, Shaun
 
 
 

From what I understand (don't take this as gospel), if you wanted to have a cage fitted, your car would become a Modified Vehicle, and require an engineering certificate on top of the RWC, under the revised permit rules. 
 
My 2c worth is that there is a staggered Engineering Certificate system required for permit driven cars.  This would allow modications at different levels not a one size fits all approach.  ie your CAMS approved cage should only require say a level 1 inspection if the driveline is factory correct.  A car with a V8 conversion brake swap revised suspension etc would be say a level 5.  You get the idea 

From my discussions a 6 point cage is not a problem so long as the front legs go through the dash.
It is the side intrusion bars that are a no no

what?
From my discussions a 6 point cage is not a problem so long as the front legs go through the dash.

Exactly my point. From the cars I see on club reg, this is definately the minority, either meaning they were previously signed off without a valid rwc or they have VASS approval? I'm guessing more than likely it was the former.
 
Unfortunately, (or fortunately) there aren't too many standard escorts around these days with factory issued drivelines and braking systems
 
Shaun

If the cage has CAMS approval it is permissable.  The RWC side has nothing to do with the dash.  but correct that side intrusion bars are usually where the problem comes from a RWC perspective.
 
Cars already on the scheme are not required to have retrospective engineers certification

Thanks Gareth.

To clarify
from reading the regulations my understanding is as follows
 
currently on CPS and cage is CAMS approved = OK
currently on CPS and not CAMS approved then VSI28 applies
New cage on existing cps car or new cps application requires VSI28 and VASS even if CAMS approved
 
VSI28 is where the front leg becomes an issue
 
 

That is what I had explained to me by the rwc inspector???
For rwc had to meet VS128, and for that it must go through the dash.
I guess it depends on who you speak to, ultimately it's their call and their rwc license.