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2018/11/26 03:26:37 (permalink)
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Mk1 escort 1300e lowering front

Hi new here need help in lowering the front of my MK1 escort 1300E  
having problems with just putting -1 inch burton springs firstly didn't drop any really  secondly the springs move when the steering is turned 
the car has its original struts but to me the E sits to high from factory  any ideas  don't really want to go to coil overs 
 

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    Re: Mk1 escort 1300e lowering front 2018/11/28 12:45:20 (permalink)
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    when you say "the springs move when the steering is turned" do you mean the spring rotates with the strut? that is supposed to happen, that's why there is a bearing in the top of the strut.
     
    if the springs are seated ok, then shorter springs are the easiest option.
    or you could go full budget and get the grinder out. 
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    Re: Mk1 escort 1300e lowering front 2018/11/28 19:17:24 (permalink)
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    HI Gazz 
    when driving u get a knock noise when u turn the steering, its the spring moving 
    this is because the new springs do not sit correctly into the top  u can see this by the shape of the new spring 
    so was told by Burton's to put a cable tie at bottom to hold it in 
     
    but saying that i am still not getting the drop i need as the 1300E  does sit very high from factory 
     
    i then bought another spring that looks more like the original in shape, so i thought it would fit better in strut but is still -1 inch  and that's the one in the picture   sits no lower to me 
     
    regards 
     
    Nick 
     
     
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    Re: Mk1 escort 1300e lowering front 2018/11/28 20:26:40 (permalink)
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    Send them back lol, swap for -2.5" springs !
    The knocking could be the shocker (damper) not tightened down in the strut or the top nut also loose, if you have those eccentric top mounts with spherical bearing, the bearing could be knocking..
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    Re: Mk1 escort 1300e lowering front 2018/11/28 21:13:23 (permalink)
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    -2.5, at 175LB in a std strut will be like slinging a sausage up an alley way. The car will be bouncing all the way and the springs will fall out of their holders, and the steering noises will be excruciating
     
    thats what i have been told, by another forum lol
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    Re: Mk1 escort 1300e lowering front 2018/11/28 21:41:11 (permalink)
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    i am now being told that for me to achieve this i will have to change the complete set up 
    including steering rack  TCA  struts  calipers   what  a nightmare 
     
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    Re: Mk1 escort 1300e lowering front 2018/11/28 22:40:44 (permalink)
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    Get a set if Capri struts then.no Brainer.
    Sausage. .. alley way. ...?
    Dude if those springs you bought didn't drop the car that 1" you wished for, that's why I said to go -2.5" as it'll prolly only drop 1.5" max. ... sport springs will usually come out of the seat.... so. ... wire them in top and bottom... simple. .is what we gotta do sometimes.
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    Re: Mk1 escort 1300e lowering front 2018/11/28 23:15:42 (permalink)
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    if i go down the route of capri struts do i have to change any other bits  ie TCA 
    and what calipers will i be using 
     
    Cheers 
     
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    Re: Mk1 escort 1300e lowering front 2018/11/30 00:42:56 (permalink)
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    The original springs were probably sagged so you won't notice much difference with the new lowered spring ride height, also have you driven the car much with the new springs as they may settle a little.
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    Re: Mk1 escort 1300e lowering front 2018/11/30 02:17:15 (permalink)
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    hi thanks for the reply 
    the car has been driven to settle but i will now leave it as it is, to go lower i am told i will lose the comfort of the drive that i have now 

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    Re: Mk1 escort 1300e lowering front 2018/12/01 10:49:39 (permalink)
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    Capri /Mexico struts are a direct bolt in if you get the complete unit. No TCA swap, no steering swap or brake lines to caliper . 👍
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    Re: Mk1 escort 1300e lowering front 2018/12/01 21:11:21 (permalink)
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    i have been told the following:
    For starters the discs are an inch bigger, than calipers bigger to suit, and the steering arms are different size and the taper wrong, so i will have to use the metric rack
    The arb 
    Anti roll bar
    It's shorter on mex so it pulls the hubs fwd, which changes the castor and in turn makes car very marginally lower, but makes wheel look better in the arch (stance) 
    thats why i gave up on the idea 

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    Re: Mk1 escort 1300e lowering front 2018/12/05 16:35:18 (permalink)
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    sounds like your old springs have probably sagged an inch, so your not seeing a difference. as Blue said.
     
    going lower normally compromises on ride quality.
    normally shorter springs use a higher spring rate to compromise for less suspension travel, or you chop the spring, have the same rate and bottom out all the time.. either way = less comfort. dont quite see how that relates to sausages in hallways?
    175lb springs are pretty soft, not sure why it would bounce... thats what your dampers are for. if it bounces, your dampers are rooted. 
    Im pretty sure that most people with lower springs in an escort will have them "fall out" when you lift the front of the car or launch it off a speed bump. you can use a shorter damper in the shock but its not exactly a straight swap, the RX7 damper comes to mind. search on the forum if you want to learn about it.
     
    people using coilovers often use a soft helper spring at the top that basically full compresses when the car is on the ground but when you lift it up it helps keep the spring located.
     
    more caster is always helpful, but its good to be adjustable. then you can increase without having to potentially massage your guards.
     
    looks pretty good to me in those last 2 photos, but maybe its just the angle.
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    Re: Mk1 escort 1300e lowering front 2018/12/05 18:13:09 (permalink)
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    gazz
    normally shorter springs use a higher spring rate to compromise for less suspension travel, or you chop the spring, have the same rate

     
    Actually, chopping/shortening the spring increases the spring rate by the same % as the % the number of coils is reduced. 
     
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    Re: Mk1 escort 1300e lowering front 2018/12/08 15:28:23 (permalink)
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    Does it?? Can't be a bad thing . Gotta be very slight increase as I've not noticed any effect
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